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posted by LilRavenclaw95
Okay, my friend and I go to a school that has a thing called 'Lit Circles'. There's a list of books, and Twilight is on there, but not Harry Potter. My friend thought this was totally wrong, and wrote a super long persuasive essay to our English teacher about it. This was all hers, and I can't take credit for how awesome it is :)

Why Twilight Should Be Replaced 의해 Harry Potter in Lit Circles

    Two 책 sit on the shelf in front of you; on the cover of the first, 당신 see two pale hands holding a deep red apple. The 초 features a young boy on a broomstick, in midair as he desperately chases a small, fluttering golden ball. Twilight, a simple 'love story', and Harry Potter, a thrilling tale of a man's struggle to end a war that's tearing his 집 apart, are two stories that are often compared and contrasted in today's society. Though the two book series are endlessly different, the die-hard 팬 in today's society often feud over if their 가장 좋아하는 is better 또는 not. Different variables, such as fans, writing, characters, and plots strongly affect the arguments of the 'Twi-hards' and the 'Potterheads'. However, it is apparent that Twilight is not up to the standards that our school boasts to uphold, and Harry Potter should replace it on the choices list for Literary Circles.
    The most 인기 argument is that the characters in Twilight are well-rounded and dynamic, but that the favorites of Harry Potter, like Draco Malfoy and Luna Lovegood, are flat and commonplace. However, the characters of Twilight are unrealistic; Bella Swan, a self-conscious girl, somehow managed to become the prettiest, most 인기 girl in school on her first day. Edward Cullen is described as perfect, gorgeous, and a complete gentleman, and Stephenie Meyer fails to point out any character flaws. He's the 'Golden Boy', and he fails to change throughout the entire story. Rosalie Hale is the only character in the story worth while; she is the only one who shows deep emotion, and a tragic past has morphed her into a dynamic, interesting character. In Harry Potter, all the characters are well-rounded and riveting in their own way. For instance, Harry Potter, the main character, has quite a few flaws; he insists on working alone, and constantly tries to push the ones he loves away. He also has his positive attributes; he's 메리다와 마법의 숲 (which is why he was placed in Gryffindor House), and he isn't in it for the glory; he fights for the greater good of his community, and even in the face of certain death (In the Forbidden Forest in Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows), he chooses to rise to the challenges that lie ahead. His friends, Ron and Hermione, are also unique, yet realistic. Ron, for example, has a bit of an anger problem. In Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire, he and Harry get into a fight because Ron is jealous that Harry got chosen as a Champion for Hogwarts. He accuses Harry of cheating, and gets angry when Harry denies it. Ron, too, has his positive qualities; he's a good Keeper, and he is undyingly loyal and brave. There really are no dull characters; they each have something that makes them stand out from the mundane, unlike the commonplace inhabitants of Meyer's version of Forks, Washington.
    Another argument Twilight 팬 present is that Twilight contains a deeper emotional tone. However, Harry Potter evokes emotions of 팬 everywhere. Through Harry's eyes, we can feel and experience what he experiences; the loss of a mother, a father, a godfather, and a mentor. We can share the horror of watching people get hurt and die, some of them old, and some of them as young as sixteen years old (Collin Creevy). In Twilight, only three emotions are present; anger, romantic love, and parental love. Anger is hardly present in Twilight. Meyer shows small signs of it here and there; Edward growling at anyone who as much as looks at Bella, Bella throwing tiny, angry fits every time she doesn't get her way, and when Charlie thinks that Edward got Bella pregnant in Breaking Dawn. Parental 사랑 is hardly there, as well. Charlie is seen as gruff, and unwilling to portray emotion toward Bella, even in the happiest of times. In Breaking Dawn, when he starts to cry at Bella's wedding, he hides in the corner, unwilling to show his face. Renee, her emotional mother, is gone for most of the series and only shows up on very rare occasions. Romantic 사랑 is present almost too much; on almost every page, 당신 see something about how gorgeous and wonderful and perfect Edward is.
    In fact, Bella's feelings toward Edward are 더 많이 obsessive. He consumes her every thought, and she can hardly breathe without Edward 의해 her side. Some people say this is romantic, but it's borderline pathetic. Despite his obvious control issues and anger problems, Bella continues to think that he's the most amazing thing on the planet. She even turns her back on her friends, and though he coldly and emotionlessly left her alone and crying in the forest, she begs for him to take her back. She constantly defies and disrespects her father, just to get 더 많이 time with Edward. In Harry Potter, Rowling's little cast of characters think for themselves, and the only time 사랑 like Edward's and Bella's is shown in Harry Potter is when Romilda Vane slips Ron a 사랑 potion, though it's intended 또는 Harry. Slughorn says himself that Amortentia, the most powerful 사랑 potion in the world cannot produce real, genuine love, just potent obsession. Romantic 사랑 is still very present in Harry Potter; Rowling portrays couples perfectly. Ginny and Harry share a realistic relationship, and Ron and Hermione demonstrate the very common, very awkward feeling of falling in 사랑 with your best friend. Their relationships are something that all 팬 can relate to, not something for readers to fantasize and obsess over.
    Another claim made 의해 Twihards is that Meyer got her idea from a dream, a subconscious message, and that it makes it have a deeper meaning. Dreams show us our subconscious desires; perhaps at the time Meyer wanted a bit 더 많이 romance in her life. However, Rowling was watching the rolling hills of Ireland and let her imagination wander. It took true creativity for Harry Potter to take shape, unlike Twilight. Also, Rowling's 글쓰기 style is 더 많이 advanced; Twilight is at a fourth grade 읽기 level. Harry Potter, while ranked higher, can still be understood 의해 a wide variety of ages. It also has deeper meaning. The only thing 당신 wonder about in Twilight is who Bella will choose in the end, and even that was fairly obvious to all readers. In Harry Potter, 당신 have to really think to come to conclusions. Will Harry defeat the Dark Lord in the end? Is Dumbledore actually dead, 또는 did he just fake his death to get the upper hand on You-Know-Who and his Death Eater Army? Just exactly what side is Snape on? Will there ever be peace in the wizarding world? Harry Potter induces thinking, while Twilight just lets readers absorb information without getting in actual thought. Also, Twilight 팬 say that as Twilight is easier to read, 더 많이 age groups can enjoy the novels. However, Rowling released a book of children stories, titled Tales of Beedle the Bard, in late 2008.
    Also, Twilight has very elementary vocabulary. Harry Potter has an abundance of new words for students to learn, and it can even teach us a little bit about other countries outside of Northern America. In Twilight, 당신 learn about a rainy town in Washington state that teaches 당신 nothing about the rest of the world (I don't include Italy and the Volturi; 당신 learn nothing of Italian culture 또는 history); it stays restricted to the soggy little town. Harry Potter branches out to different parts of the globe. England, France, and Bulgaria are all mentioned in the books, and 당신 can come out of the Harry Potter experience having learned some useful things.
    Also, Twilight has a strong undercurrent of anti-feminism. In the books, Bella decides as a girl, it's her job to do all cooking and cleaning while her father sits on the couch, drinking 맥주 and watching sports. This gives the impression that the place for a woman is the kitchen, and women have fought hard throughout history to repress such anti-feminist attitudes, and unfortunately, Twilight is a perfect example of the repression we woman experience daily, despite the fact that we are equals and have rights. Also, Edward controls every aspect of Bella's life, and therefore Twilight teaches girls to let men abuse and dominate them in the relationship. In today's society, women are already extremely repressed; a woman makes seventy cents to every dollar a man makes. We really shouldn't allow Twilight; it's forcing us to step back from the immense progress we've been making over the years.
    As well as all things mentioned prior, Twilight 팬 seem to think that the Twilight Saga has better villains. On the contrary; Harry Potter's villain, the infamous Voldemort, also known as 'You-Know-Who', has depth. 당신 learn about his past, how he came to be, how he shed his former self in an attempt to escape a past he so truly despises. In Twilight, the original villain, James, has no background; the only reason he's bad is because he's bad. There's no back-story, no woeful tale that allows the readers to delve into the minds of the antagonists. 당신 simply here he wants to hurt the protagonist; no reason why, no interesting, tragic past. The reader is supposed to simply assume that he's just bad, without even getting the full story. The Volturi are a power-hungry clan of 뱀파이어 that hide behind their cronies' gifts, showing an immense amount of cowardice. Victoria is a revenge-driven murderer, and perhaps the only semi-villainous character in the series.
    Twilight also teaches young adults that using others for personal gain is okay. In New Moon, after Edward leaves, Bella is crushed. Her intense obsession with Edward is unhealthy, and when he's gone, she suffers from massive withdrawal. To get over her pain, she turns to Jacob Black, a boy from an Indian reserve not to far from Bella's 집 in Forks. After spending time with him, Bella notices that the presence of a boy in her life is comforting, and uses him almost like morphine; just something to numb the pain. After a while, Jacob develops a 사랑 for her, and Bella, instead of letting him down gently and giving him distance to ease the pain, continues to use him to get rid of her loneliness. This, too, shows a tone of anti-feminism. Bella seems to think that the only way to be happy in life is to have the company of a man. Instead of being strong and independent, a good role model, Meyer decides to have Bella desperately cling to any boy she can get her hands on. This does not set a good example for the multitude of impressionable teens at our school. In Harry Potter, 당신 see plenty of good, strong female characters; Hermione, Luna, Ginny, and Molly Weasley, to name a few. They all show strong examples of feminism. For instance, Hermione deals with the constant teasing and name-calling 의해 the Slytherins, but she just holds her head high and doesn't let the opinion of others affect her everyday life. That is just one of the many ways that Harry Potter teaches young adults to be confident and sure in themselves.
    In addition, the argument of first person point of view versus third person point of view. While both 글쓰기 styles work well, in first person, 당신 only really learn about the feelings and emotions of the protagonist. In third person, 당신 get to see 더 많이 of the other characters, learn of other things going on in the story. 당신 can stray away from the main character for a moment and see what other events, significant 또는 not, that can affect the plot. For example, in Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince, 당신 see a scene that doesn't include Harry. He is mentioned, but he does not ever make an appearance; 당신 get to see what things are going on outside the narrator's life at the moment in time. In Twilight, Meyer had to completely change point of views halfway through Breaking Dawn, which can often confuse the reader at first. Rowling doesn't make this befuddling move.
    Lastly, Rowling makes the 책 much 더 많이 realistic in a lot of aspects. In Harry Potter, 당신 can experience the harsh realities of prejudice, death, and war. In Twilight, Stephenie creates a sugar-coated world of happiness and unfortunately, ignorance. In every book, Bella faces a war, yet despite the constant danger and feuding; nobody dies, 또는 even gets very hurt. In Harry Potter, readers and characters experience the crushing, though realistic blow, of their 가장 좋아하는 characters dying; Sirius Black, Albus Dumbledore, and Lily and James Potter all fall at the hand of the antagonists, and they're just a few out of many. Also, in the wizarding world, we find a startling amount of discrimination and prejudice. The Pure bloods use slander and harsh words against muggle-borns (called Mudbloods) and pure-blood families who affiliate with them ('blood-traitors'). Also, most of the wizarding world looks down on other magical creatures, like centaurs, giants, and werewolves. For example, Remus Lupin is forced to resign simply because he's a werewolf (Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban). This bares a remarkable resemblance to reality, and teaches readers 더 많이 about the world around them. However, at the end of the last book, Bella is sitting on the 침상, 소파 with her family, thinking about how wonderful it is that despite the Volturi's death march to Forks, they all managed to stay alive (Breaking Dawn). Even when an army of powerful 뱀파이어 bent on destroying the Cullens come to Washington, Bella says a few things, and as if be magic, the Cullens are 안전한, 안전 and everyone is 안전한, 안전 and sound. This isn't how reality works, and to teach kids otherwise is wrong.
    Twilight is a bad influence on us impressionable teens, while Harry Potter teaches us that confidence and bravery get 당신 far in life. We should ban 책 that have negative affects on the youth of America and support 책 with good themes and messages. Together, as a nation, we can shape a better, 더 많이 confident generation.
    

Works Cited


Meyer, Stephenie. Twilight. Boston: Little, Brown Young Readers, 2006.    
Meyer, Stephenie. New Moon. Boston: Little, Brown Young Readers, 2006.
Meyer, Stephenie. Eclipse. Boston: Little, Brown Young Readers, 2007.
Meyer, Stephenie. Breaking Dawn. Boston: Little, Brown     Young Readers, 2008.
Rowling, J.K. Harry Potter and the Sorcerers Stone. New York: Scholastic Inc., 1998.
Rowling, J.K. Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets. New York: Scholastic Inc., 1999.
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Ok, well I'm going to be perfectly respectful in this 기사 because I don't want to make anyone mad, I just want to make a point. If 당신 agree 또는 disagree with it, that's up to you. Please don't be rude inthe 코멘트 section, and give reasons for opinions. Thanks!

Now I can start. May I just start 의해 saying that I am on the Harry Potter side (with all due respect to Twilight fans)

I've noticed that one of the things Twilight 팬 say is that Bella is a 더 많이 relatable character than Harry. I think that that is a good point because technically, 당신 can be a normal teenager who goes to school...
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posted by LavenderBrown
Some people (not necessarily Americans) have admitted having trouble with the British words in Harry Potter. To solve this problem, I give you...An Americans Guide to British words!

1) Prat
Someone who is described as being dumb 또는 self centered. Usually acts against logic.
e.x. Jeez, Roldolfo is such a prat!

2) Git
Basically, a jerk. Shallow and/or childish.
e.x. Look at that git, strutting around like he owns the place!

3) Err...
The British equivalent of umm...
e.x. "Errr.... is it 42?"

4) Barmy
Insane/Crazy.
e.x. That old mans gone barmy!

5.) Blast
Equivalent to "Dang!"
e.x. Blast! Some git's taken...
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posted by SpeedyGonzalez
I Speedy Gonzalez did not write this I merely copied and pasted it. The original may be found link.

I got Breaking Dawn on the 일 that it came out and was hoping that Meyer would somehow redeem the steadily deteriorating quality of the Twilight series. What a huge disappointment. I was even 더 많이 disappointed when I found out how Meyer was responding to the criticism towards it. Then I discovered that she was 글쓰기 Midnight Sun. I looked 앞으로 to that because, even though all of the 책 suck, they are a guilty pleasure and Twilight was the best of all of them. Then she stopped writing...
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posted by lilcherrywine
Dear friends,
This is my first attempt at 글쓰기 a creative article. I've attempted the 페이스북 page of HP, and hope 당신 like it. Sorry for the lame humor, it's my very first time. Thanks for reading, and please drop in your comments, because I need your opinion. Thanks again.


HP’S fb page


HARRY POTTER

Went to Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry
Lives in London.
Knows English, Parseltongue
From Godric’s Hollow
Born on July 31, 1880




Cho Chang: Harry, I had a trip with dad and mom to Forks last week and I spotted Cedric there. Yes, Harry, I saw him. I don’t know what’s happening, I mean,...
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Now to anyone of the teensy-beensy minority that has never heard of Twilight's male protagonist, Edward Cullen, he supposedly a vampire that falls in deep "love" with a human girl named Bella.

Now I must object to this 설명 of the Edward and Bella (Edella 또는 Bedward, lol). While the relationship is described as being true love, I personally think that the relationship is any BUT deep, true love. It is, in my, along with many other fanpoppers, opinion that this relationship is extraordinarily unhealthy and codependent, and that Edward's supposed "love" is obsessive love.

Obsessive love:...
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posted by PotterLambert93
Today, I read a post from "youknowit101" on "1000 Reason why Twilight is better than harry Potter", and it completley gave me 초 thoughts about this whole thing between the rival series. According to this guy, he is very ashamed at the HP 팬 for attacking the Twilight 팬 and how immature they are, and to be honest, I now couldn't agree more. He's right, HP fans, we are the immature ones, not the Twilighters. We Potterheads are taking HP for granted and using it to rub it in other people's faces.

Now I see why Twilight 팬 barley respond to the debates and articles, and it's because...
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why deos twilight annoy me? because when twilight came out everyone 4 got hp then the new hp movie came out and they loved hp again thgen twilight movie came out people just cant make up their minds well i can ive seen all the hp movie so far and twilight and even though hp leave s out some stuff its still TEN times better twilight is annoying becuz they think they can come in and steal the whole show that why oppion of a hpfan gcsfdsjhvcdshvcwrivhrweuvghbersvksfdhvsklvhjsdfvklsdfvb dfc bvhdx jkhdfvoperfcujrehvcjfdvhhhjukdsxhcdsjcv
Okay, so a lot of people have been asking that I put 더 많이 토론 stuff and reasons why I think Twilight is better. Now that we're all 프렌즈 and don't hate eachother anymore, I hope we can all have a reasonable debate.

But before I start, I want to say that I don't compleatley hate Harry Potter anymore. I saw the Deathly Hallows today, my friend is somewhat of a fan, and wanted to see it. I reluctaintly went with her, and it actually wasn't that bad. 당신 see, I read the first-fourth Harry Potter books, and read most of the seventh. The Deathly Hallows movie was much better than the book in...
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