So this all happened when I made a post on specifically why I dislike Frozen.
Original post:
당신 know I know some people dislike 겨울왕국 because it's overrated, but I just don't like 영화 that are "made for their time" I like 영화 that strive to be classic. It's one of the main reasons I dislike Aladdin, Hercules, Frozen, and, though I like 라푼젤 more, that as well. I don't know, I just felt like I should say that.
That being the reason I disliked Frozen, some people thought that it was 더 많이 timeless than what I was giving it credit for.
avatar_tla_fan commented…
I dislike 겨울왕국 because of the story and the characters, although it is very overrated, that doesn't effect my decision as much.
Sk8er__grl commented…
Why is 겨울왕국 and 라푼젤 only made for it's time? I understand Hercules and 알라딘 because of pop cultural references all over the place, but I think that 디즈니 was trying to make 겨울왕국 and 라푼젤 to last for a while. And 영화 like 알라딘 did last a long time with a big 팬 base so. I don't now I'm probably way off.
misscindyspice commented…
Agree with Sk8er :3
KataraLover commented…
알라딘 is actually considered a timeless classic, I think Hercules is too but I'm not sure. I think 겨울왕국 is just the product of the time. But 라푼젤 seems timeless to me.
BelleRose829 commented…
Pop culture references die after time moves on, frankly none of my little cousins get genies jokes. Hercules is a tad 더 많이 timeless, but if 당신 can see something that relates to the now time and would be found say 50 또는 100 years 이전 I wouldn't really like it. 겨울왕국 is made for the time considering the whole "You can't marry a man 당신 just met" thing. Also Anna is a ball of awkwardness that say modern things like "I won't judge" and general being. The fact that it's CGI as well, 당신 wouldn't find that years 이전 and in the future it'll be outdated. 아니메 eyes on the girls and not the boys is also a product of our time. All 당신 need to do is look at all Genie's jokes in 알라딘 and The way people speak and act in Hercules and 당신 can see why it's made for its time. References Thebes as 1990's New York. I'm just not a particular 팬 about that. Just as Your 또는 our generation is for 알라딘 겨울왕국 will become that for the younger kids and some in my generation. And then in the 다음 30 또는 so years when 겨울왕국 is no longer "with it" there going to make another movie for the current time with better graphics and plot line 또는 what have you. That's why I'm not interested in those.
Sk8er__grl commented…
Hmm, interesting. I can see where your coming from, really. A person can make the argument that neither is, "Snow white and the seven dwarves" because Snow gets married right away and waits for a prince and doesn't do anything feministy 또는 whatever, yet the movie still stays with us and it's still marveled at for it's time. Time had gone by, and now 디즈니 is updating it to fit the now time. If 디즈니 went back and made SWTSD today it wouldn't be the box office success it was 70 years ago. So depending on how long 디즈니 stays the 영화 will change and look different and have different messages, but the people from those days can still look back to 영화 made today and still enjoy them and still 사랑 them. In fact, if I was watching 겨울왕국 in the future I'd probably like it 더 많이 than I do today, I know it wouldn't be up to what we would have then but I'd still appreciate it and when it came out. I should of let somebody else take this debate, sorry, I don't think I worded it well.
22 hours ago
BelleRose829 commented…
Actually the classics to some extent are made for their time. However they are call "classic" for a reason, not of their terminology pertains to the time. Their aren't any Madelyne Monroe jokes, no "Well gee willikers bobby" phrases. Nothing that says we are taking something from what is 인기 today. The 아니메 eyes and the "I don't judge" from Anna are sources from today's pop culture. Genie makes several jokes about old 유명인사 and even though I know who they are (thanks to older kids) I still don't understand the reference as I wasn't born in that time and I don't understand how it could be funny.
If say 신데렐라 made a reference to Gilagans island 또는 quoted something from a black and white movie the majority of the world today wouldn't get it, 또는 even understand it was a quote. Something that pertains to time is when it hasn't changed in centuries. The way women act HAS changed so 당신 can't really say that the way they act is from the time. However the way we speak HAS'NT changed, we still use formal literature, something like YOLO would be a product of the time. Even the humor of something can be a "now" thing. Like in 라푼젤 how Flynn says "I don't sing" but then they point their knives at him and he sings, that too can be 로스트 to the future generation.
CGI, Big eyes and internet slang are from the current time. Even pawned Kristoff said about his sleigh "but I just paid it off" none of the classics make any reference to cars. Also how Anna says "foot size doesn't matter" and "all men do it" 당신 don't see the classics doing that because it's set in the time period of the movie (1300's for Sleeping Beauty ect.) Why would 당신 do anything that hints to the time it was made if 당신 want it to be classic. We don't ride in wagons anymore so if SnowWhite were to say "But I paid 16 whole shillings for that" we don't know what shillings are 또는 that she actually didn't have to pay it slowly over time. In the 다음 100 또는 so years I can assume we either won't being using cars 또는 it'll be MUCH different. If 당신 put any modern references in the mouth of a classic DP 당신 can tell the difference and why one is classic and one is modern 또는 revival 또는 renaissance.
324anna commented…
I see what 당신 mean, but those things never bothered me in the movies, I dislike how they've made Anna and Rapunzel 더 많이 modern though.
hajirah4 commented…
OH. We're getting DEEP here! :O This is a pretty awesome debate. I'm on BellRose's side, 디즈니 was a big competitor for... the cartoon that produced Betty Boop, (Warner Bros?) and their competitors weren't timeless, obviously. There were many adult jokes and extreme themes associated with them and the way 디즈니 beat their funny material was 의해 making sure everything was classical- just like it came from a storybook. That's why we see Aurora being wakened up 의해 the Phillip and not Tom and Jerry. That's what sets 디즈니 apart from, every other competitor it had. While a lot of it's 영화 were kind of giving in to the competitor bowl, the classics are remembered and treasured today because they're timeless. They never get old. Frozen, Despicable Me, Rio, Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs? I don't think anyone will remember them. (I don't wanna be really harsh and say Brave, because it was a decent movie and did a great job at being timeless.
The story itself, wasn't that great imo.) And look at Wall-E, Up, Finding Nemo, Toy Story, Monsters Inc- everyone will remember them. And there were some sly modern jokes hidden amongst the ones I listed, but a fad will soon come to fade. Okay, where am I going with this? I'm not saying that 알라딘 won't be remembered, heck 뮬란 is just growing from internet famous and the Black Cauldron has always stayed internet famous :( My point is, being timeless is what sets 디즈니 apart from Bluesky studious, Warner Bros, etc... 겨울왕국 wouldn't even have to be classic for it to be a really huge hit like Toy Story, but when the story lacks depth and the modern jokes fill up for it, there's a problem. That's all I'm saying. I don't think that having modern jokes will make a movie forgettable in the future. I'm saying that an average story can get forgotten. Filler jokes only add in them. But look at ATLA. They're pretty modern, but aside, they have the 'normal' formula I was talking about.
MalloMar commented…
I really enjoyed 읽기 everyone's opinions on this topic. I agree with a lot of/most of what hajirah and BelleRose said. There are some 영화 that are made for a certain time period that I adore (Oliver & Company, A Goofy Movie, Aladdin), but the ones that aren't truly are classic. I actually think The Princess and the Frog was a pretty good effort toward "timelessness" Maybe I need to re-watch it, but I don't really remember anything that shouts "2000s"
dimitri_ commented…
I definitely see where you're coming and I do prefer timeless movies. Except if it just oozes the 90s, so bias of me :P and the reasons 알라딘 and Hercules are considered classic is because they were in that hand-drawn area IMO.
BelleRose829 commented…
Yeah, basically there is the Museum of Modern Art in New York and there is the Louvre in Paris, the fact of the matter there are both master pieces in their own way, but one is 더 많이 traditional and one is expressing what it is in the now. Both are great, I just prefer the Louvre something classic (SnowWhite), but others can still like MoMA (Tangled). They are products of their time and that can last for some time, but it's going to fade. People don't really understand older slang, for a reason they are trends, none of us wear 1940's poodle skirts because that was 인기 then, not now. There is a traditional way of being and it's sticking to a specific time period, jumping in and out of the setting isn't.
The way the way 영화 taken out of the time is ok this is the 1800's what was going on at this time? Ah right this this and this, oh let's throw in a modern joke about Michael Jackson. Even so they don't reference to famous actors in the 1800's because unless you're a history buff 당신 aren't going to get the joke. All the same I can apprieate modern movies, but it's very easy to see that they are made for their time i.e. The Lego Movie, Aladdin, A Goofy Movie, High School Musical, 겨울왕국 ect.
And we had a little debate, I thought why not make it formal so I could see what the vast majority thinks. So leave your 코멘트 below. :3
Original post:
당신 know I know some people dislike 겨울왕국 because it's overrated, but I just don't like 영화 that are "made for their time" I like 영화 that strive to be classic. It's one of the main reasons I dislike Aladdin, Hercules, Frozen, and, though I like 라푼젤 more, that as well. I don't know, I just felt like I should say that.
That being the reason I disliked Frozen, some people thought that it was 더 많이 timeless than what I was giving it credit for.
avatar_tla_fan commented…
I dislike 겨울왕국 because of the story and the characters, although it is very overrated, that doesn't effect my decision as much.
Sk8er__grl commented…
Why is 겨울왕국 and 라푼젤 only made for it's time? I understand Hercules and 알라딘 because of pop cultural references all over the place, but I think that 디즈니 was trying to make 겨울왕국 and 라푼젤 to last for a while. And 영화 like 알라딘 did last a long time with a big 팬 base so. I don't now I'm probably way off.
misscindyspice commented…
Agree with Sk8er :3
KataraLover commented…
알라딘 is actually considered a timeless classic, I think Hercules is too but I'm not sure. I think 겨울왕국 is just the product of the time. But 라푼젤 seems timeless to me.
BelleRose829 commented…
Pop culture references die after time moves on, frankly none of my little cousins get genies jokes. Hercules is a tad 더 많이 timeless, but if 당신 can see something that relates to the now time and would be found say 50 또는 100 years 이전 I wouldn't really like it. 겨울왕국 is made for the time considering the whole "You can't marry a man 당신 just met" thing. Also Anna is a ball of awkwardness that say modern things like "I won't judge" and general being. The fact that it's CGI as well, 당신 wouldn't find that years 이전 and in the future it'll be outdated. 아니메 eyes on the girls and not the boys is also a product of our time. All 당신 need to do is look at all Genie's jokes in 알라딘 and The way people speak and act in Hercules and 당신 can see why it's made for its time. References Thebes as 1990's New York. I'm just not a particular 팬 about that. Just as Your 또는 our generation is for 알라딘 겨울왕국 will become that for the younger kids and some in my generation. And then in the 다음 30 또는 so years when 겨울왕국 is no longer "with it" there going to make another movie for the current time with better graphics and plot line 또는 what have you. That's why I'm not interested in those.
Sk8er__grl commented…
Hmm, interesting. I can see where your coming from, really. A person can make the argument that neither is, "Snow white and the seven dwarves" because Snow gets married right away and waits for a prince and doesn't do anything feministy 또는 whatever, yet the movie still stays with us and it's still marveled at for it's time. Time had gone by, and now 디즈니 is updating it to fit the now time. If 디즈니 went back and made SWTSD today it wouldn't be the box office success it was 70 years ago. So depending on how long 디즈니 stays the 영화 will change and look different and have different messages, but the people from those days can still look back to 영화 made today and still enjoy them and still 사랑 them. In fact, if I was watching 겨울왕국 in the future I'd probably like it 더 많이 than I do today, I know it wouldn't be up to what we would have then but I'd still appreciate it and when it came out. I should of let somebody else take this debate, sorry, I don't think I worded it well.
22 hours ago
BelleRose829 commented…
Actually the classics to some extent are made for their time. However they are call "classic" for a reason, not of their terminology pertains to the time. Their aren't any Madelyne Monroe jokes, no "Well gee willikers bobby" phrases. Nothing that says we are taking something from what is 인기 today. The 아니메 eyes and the "I don't judge" from Anna are sources from today's pop culture. Genie makes several jokes about old 유명인사 and even though I know who they are (thanks to older kids) I still don't understand the reference as I wasn't born in that time and I don't understand how it could be funny.
If say 신데렐라 made a reference to Gilagans island 또는 quoted something from a black and white movie the majority of the world today wouldn't get it, 또는 even understand it was a quote. Something that pertains to time is when it hasn't changed in centuries. The way women act HAS changed so 당신 can't really say that the way they act is from the time. However the way we speak HAS'NT changed, we still use formal literature, something like YOLO would be a product of the time. Even the humor of something can be a "now" thing. Like in 라푼젤 how Flynn says "I don't sing" but then they point their knives at him and he sings, that too can be 로스트 to the future generation.
CGI, Big eyes and internet slang are from the current time. Even pawned Kristoff said about his sleigh "but I just paid it off" none of the classics make any reference to cars. Also how Anna says "foot size doesn't matter" and "all men do it" 당신 don't see the classics doing that because it's set in the time period of the movie (1300's for Sleeping Beauty ect.) Why would 당신 do anything that hints to the time it was made if 당신 want it to be classic. We don't ride in wagons anymore so if SnowWhite were to say "But I paid 16 whole shillings for that" we don't know what shillings are 또는 that she actually didn't have to pay it slowly over time. In the 다음 100 또는 so years I can assume we either won't being using cars 또는 it'll be MUCH different. If 당신 put any modern references in the mouth of a classic DP 당신 can tell the difference and why one is classic and one is modern 또는 revival 또는 renaissance.
324anna commented…
I see what 당신 mean, but those things never bothered me in the movies, I dislike how they've made Anna and Rapunzel 더 많이 modern though.
hajirah4 commented…
OH. We're getting DEEP here! :O This is a pretty awesome debate. I'm on BellRose's side, 디즈니 was a big competitor for... the cartoon that produced Betty Boop, (Warner Bros?) and their competitors weren't timeless, obviously. There were many adult jokes and extreme themes associated with them and the way 디즈니 beat their funny material was 의해 making sure everything was classical- just like it came from a storybook. That's why we see Aurora being wakened up 의해 the Phillip and not Tom and Jerry. That's what sets 디즈니 apart from, every other competitor it had. While a lot of it's 영화 were kind of giving in to the competitor bowl, the classics are remembered and treasured today because they're timeless. They never get old. Frozen, Despicable Me, Rio, Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs? I don't think anyone will remember them. (I don't wanna be really harsh and say Brave, because it was a decent movie and did a great job at being timeless.
The story itself, wasn't that great imo.) And look at Wall-E, Up, Finding Nemo, Toy Story, Monsters Inc- everyone will remember them. And there were some sly modern jokes hidden amongst the ones I listed, but a fad will soon come to fade. Okay, where am I going with this? I'm not saying that 알라딘 won't be remembered, heck 뮬란 is just growing from internet famous and the Black Cauldron has always stayed internet famous :( My point is, being timeless is what sets 디즈니 apart from Bluesky studious, Warner Bros, etc... 겨울왕국 wouldn't even have to be classic for it to be a really huge hit like Toy Story, but when the story lacks depth and the modern jokes fill up for it, there's a problem. That's all I'm saying. I don't think that having modern jokes will make a movie forgettable in the future. I'm saying that an average story can get forgotten. Filler jokes only add in them. But look at ATLA. They're pretty modern, but aside, they have the 'normal' formula I was talking about.
MalloMar commented…
I really enjoyed 읽기 everyone's opinions on this topic. I agree with a lot of/most of what hajirah and BelleRose said. There are some 영화 that are made for a certain time period that I adore (Oliver & Company, A Goofy Movie, Aladdin), but the ones that aren't truly are classic. I actually think The Princess and the Frog was a pretty good effort toward "timelessness" Maybe I need to re-watch it, but I don't really remember anything that shouts "2000s"
dimitri_ commented…
I definitely see where you're coming and I do prefer timeless movies. Except if it just oozes the 90s, so bias of me :P and the reasons 알라딘 and Hercules are considered classic is because they were in that hand-drawn area IMO.
BelleRose829 commented…
Yeah, basically there is the Museum of Modern Art in New York and there is the Louvre in Paris, the fact of the matter there are both master pieces in their own way, but one is 더 많이 traditional and one is expressing what it is in the now. Both are great, I just prefer the Louvre something classic (SnowWhite), but others can still like MoMA (Tangled). They are products of their time and that can last for some time, but it's going to fade. People don't really understand older slang, for a reason they are trends, none of us wear 1940's poodle skirts because that was 인기 then, not now. There is a traditional way of being and it's sticking to a specific time period, jumping in and out of the setting isn't.
The way the way 영화 taken out of the time is ok this is the 1800's what was going on at this time? Ah right this this and this, oh let's throw in a modern joke about Michael Jackson. Even so they don't reference to famous actors in the 1800's because unless you're a history buff 당신 aren't going to get the joke. All the same I can apprieate modern movies, but it's very easy to see that they are made for their time i.e. The Lego Movie, Aladdin, A Goofy Movie, High School Musical, 겨울왕국 ect.
And we had a little debate, I thought why not make it formal so I could see what the vast majority thinks. So leave your 코멘트 below. :3
