hmm tough one
she never actually seemed happy with angel it was all drama drama drama
but when she was with spike she seemed to have fn but then again the majority of their relationship he had no soul, and she was all moody from being sucked out of hell so you know....
She was never actually with Spike though was she...she was using him to scratch an itch and feel connected to something in Season 6. She's never happy with him at all, she's completely disgusted with herself for most of Season 6. The only time she seems like she's having fun is when she's invisible and that's only because she can pretend like it's not her that's really there. When she confesses to Tara that she's been with Spike she cries floods of tears because she hates herself so much...is this what you girls think is happy?
Plus what does she get at the end of it all? He tries to rape her...or because it's Spike is that all ok?
but u wrote all about him when he was evil and when he had soul he was changed and he done for her.Buffy cried too when she was with Angel.And when Angel was evil he tried to kill Buffy and her friends.He leaved her and he didn't tried to be with her.Spike never leaved her and he tried all of the time to be with Buffy.
I thought Spike was in love with Buffy in Season 6? Or so I keep being told anyway, he apparently 'fought' for a soul because he loved her...yet earlier he'd tried to rape her. You Spuffy fans need to make up your minds.
yes i know i am a massive bangel fan but its not which couple i like best this question is askin who was better for buffy and my reasonsing for choosing spike is that every girl has needs and if angel fufilled her needs he changed in angelus and tried to kill her! spike when evil or not got over the i want to kill buffy so fulfilled her needs whenver she wanted! she did preety much use spike for that side but that was better for her! i would'nt say marry him bu then!
Yet he slept with Anya and tried to rape her...not two things I'd say were good for her.
I get the question and I still think Angel was better for her because all his acts were selfless. He made the decision to break-up with her and leave because he knew she couldn't and that was better for her in the long run. Spike never saw that far ahead.
you keep repeating again and again that he slept with anya and tried to rape
angel did actual kill people including her friends
why do you think she had that itch?
and finally him sleeping with anya was just as much anya's, xander and buffy's fault as it was spike's
Aha, I've been waitng for a little bite from you Debs!
Ok, you keep telling me that in Season 6 Spike was in love with Buffy and how good he was for her etc, etc. Soooooo if this is the case why does he sleep with one of her friends and why does he attempt to rape her?
Spike sleeping with Anya was Buffy's fault...ok so are all you ladies telling me that if one of your exes went out and slept with one of your close friends you'd blame yourself? That's just nuts!
Was it also Buffy's fault that Spike tried to rape her? Hmmmmm, can't say I'd agree with that one, that's the old thuggish "she was asking for it" mentality.
I'm glad you brought up Angel. Angel didn't actually do any of those things, Angelus did. Two completely different characters and played as such by Boreanaz. Angelus never claims to love Buffy, he loathes her and is in fact evil...hence the heap of guilt Angel feels in Season 3.
ok u have right,but i write this one more time - Spike had chip not SOUL like Angel!He loved Buffy but was still bad.When he had soul in season 7 he was diffrent.
Agreed, Season 7 was very different because Spike had a soul. I don't have any problem with Spike having a soul, apart from how we get there in the first place.
Spike clearly doesn't love Buffy in Season 6 because he sleeps with one of her close friends then tries to rape her...these are not acts of love. Season 7 Spike can love Buffy all he wants for me, but getting to that point is all messed up.
no these are acts of frustration and jelousy and misunderstanding of messed up relationships die to the fact that he has no soul
that the one thing i don't like about joss writing he's always said that vampires are very smilar to their former selves even angel says it at one point but then angel/angelus is too completley different characters
sorry for biting lol
and that's a sexist remark, the whole deserving thing, if a lass had been dumped (like anya) and slept with someone for confort people feel sorry for her, a guy does it (spike) and he's the bad guy (i know he is actually a bad guy but you know what i mean)
I believe Spike did love Buffy, even when he was evil (just because he's evil doesn't mean he can't love--remember Dru?), and I think if he hadn't died Buffy could have learned to love him or at least be happy with him.
However, the question was who WAS better for Buffy, not who would have been better, and Buffy was unhappy and disgusted with herself almost the entire time she was with Spike (and in season 7 she wasn't really "with" him), whereas Angel was her first true love and looked out for her and was everything a boyfriend should be, except of course when he was evil.
The main difference that I felt between the two relationships was that when she was with Angel, she was her own person. This is why she was able to be strong and kill him when he was evil. With Spike, she had this neediness (I'm not just talking about the sex here) and she wasn't strong enough to be by herself. I mean, letting him try to rape her??? It was a bad relationship, and even though it had the potential at the end to be something better, I'll go with Angel here.
I think it's funny that people keep pointing out that "Oh, Spike slept with Anya, he couldn't have loved her!" Because, y'know, nobody in real life would ever, EVER try to get revenge on someone they loved or make mistakes. [/sarcasm]
Personally-- and yes, I'm biased by my huge adoration of James-- I think that the infatuation-type bliss in the Bangel relationship would have worn off and Buffy would've been left looking for something more. Spike is that something more, and if they would have been given more time, I think Spike really could have been good for Buffy, and she good for him in return. As shown in seasons 6 and 7, they supported and confided in each other beautifully. While flawed, their relationship had major potential.
Angel and Cordy [Er, Cangel? Corgel? Angdy? XD What's the terminology here?] would've worked out beautifully. She pulled him out of his self-pitying century slump, while I think any relationship with Buffy would've ended in him resorting back to his annoying, broody ways.
If Angelus raped buffy all you Bangel fans would be all "no that wasn't angel, angel loves buffy that was angelus he didn't have a soul, evil blah blah blah."
BUT when EVIL UNSOULED spike ( i will call him Spikus! lol sounds like a cactus! BUT come on he needs a name or it's just confusing =S) raped buffy everyone keeps saying OMG spike raped buffy he can't love buffy! Well it wasn't Spike! It was Spikus so Spike still loves buffy......
AND just like Angelus didn't ruin the Bangel ship when he tried to end the world and kill her Spikus didn't ruin the Spuffy ship when he raped her.
"angel will always win in a fight of who loves buffy more with spike, mainly because spike ruined their relationship by raping buffy. "
totaly agree whit this one.. he raip here because she couldnt love him (as much as she loved angel) Even when he was Angelus she had difficulty killing him , but she would kill spike any time. Whit chip in his head or whit out chip.
He didn't actually rape her you know, and he loved her all along. In season 6 he had no soul, thus he could not controll his anger and frustration when Buffy left him, BUT and this is important, he understood the consecuence of his action and he suffered from them EVEN though he had no soul. He then drove away to fight demons and go through hard triels just to get his soul back, all because of his love for Buffy. And anyway, you all keep talking about season 6, and buffy's feelings then, but wat about the last season? Didn't anyone see the chemistry and love between them then? Just think of the night they spend together in episode 21, or the time spike was in the school basement, when he was out of his mind, buffy helped him and got him away from it. She felt safe with him, she knew his feelings for her, she knew that she could always trust him, that's why she opened up to him!!!
Angel left her when she needed him the most, she was always crying her eyes out over complications in their reletionship. Spike made her feel safe of herself and him. For her own sake, she grew the most when she was with spike.
brw...she killed angel, remember? Even though she loved him, he died of her hand and she got herself a new guy. She never killed spike, she had the chance, many times, and still she never killed him, she wouldn't let herself, cause she loved him
in the end, spike was the man for her. and joker, watch the last episodes of season 6, spike felt horrible about trying to rape her, so he went through hell to get a soul!
Wow.....Joker and debs both have good points. However I'm siding with Joker. As I said in a previous pick, Angel and Angelus are two separate entities that happen to look the same. Angel never intentionally did anything to hurt Buffy....that was Angelus.
Angel never did anything to hurt Buffy, he loved her and always will love her but spike just used her. come on ppl he tried to rape her!
didnt you see the episode in the first series of Angel when he turned human?? Angel and Buffy were so happy together!
I think this is a really interesting debate, and people have made some great points (Joker, well said).
However, there are some important things that need clarifying.
1. Angel and Angelus = totally different beings.
2. Angel is very good for Buffy, he loves her selflessly and makes her happy, despite the drama.
3. Angelus is most certainly not good for Buffy. (Understatement of the century haha!)
4. Equally, soulless and ensouled Spike are totally different entities. (Haha I like the Spike/Spikus, it certainly avoids confusion!)
5. HOWEVER, the only relationship Buffy ever had with Spike/Spikus was with Spikus. By this I mean a romantic (very loose use of this word since this is season 6 Spuffy I'm talking about!) relationship, not a friendship/potential romantic relationship.
6. As such, within the parameters of the question, which I take as referring to relationships rather than in general, Spike & Buffy in season 7 is irrelevant, since they were not together.
7. Therefore, season 6 Spuffy is what is relevant to this question.
8. Since this was a violent, degrading, unhealthy relationship that made Buffy feel disgusted with herself and so ashamed that it further alienated her from her friends, since she cried so much when admitting to Tara what was going on, since Spike did not love her (due to being soulless, not due to any character default. He loved her as much as he could given that he didn't have a soul, but he did not love her. You don't rape someone you love. I think the discussion of Anya & Spike isn't proof that he didn't love her, this sort of thing happens, it's painful and bad, but it happens - two people comforting each other and ending up having sex despite the fact it will hurt people & they love other people, not each other, but were just seeking comfort. But the attempted rape, which he would have continued with and finished had Buffy not had the power to stop him, so there's no point defending him with 'he didn't actually rape her' - he wanted to and would have if she hadn't been so strong - is proof that he didn't love her. Not his fault, as he was a soulless demon, but true nonetheless. Again, his feelings of "frustration, confusion, anger" are NOT excuses for this, there is no excuse for this, and Buffy did not "ask for it", that would be an incredibly sexist and offensive insinuation. The reason for him doing this is that HE DID NOT HAVE A SOUL. But you can't use his lack of soul as an excuse for this, as a justification, and then disregard its importance when it comes to his ability to love.
At the end of the day, Buffy and Spike had potential to be a lovely relationship if he had not died in season 7. But they weren't, and the only relationship they had was harmful to Buffy, emotionally and psychologically, and cannot be called a good thing for her. Saying that Spike fulfilled her needs - well, sex isn't the be all and end all of a relationship, not a healthy, happy, romantic one, and he certainly didn't fulfil her emotional needs. Whereas Bangel, despite its drama, made Buffy happy. She loved Angel, he loved her, selflessly, and they never truly got over each other. Clearly, that is the better relationship.
Spike.He changed everything he was for her and he died for her (and for the world).I don't want to get in shipper wor but please let one bangel fan explain to me why did Angel never got his soul for Bufyf or whil after his ''sacrafise'' in ''I Will Rember You''didn't go and help Buffy.Or why wasn't he there whit her in season 6 when she was disconnected to the world.And in season seven where was Angel when her family and friends trew her out of her house.As sure as hell wasn't the one who held her all night and belived in her and helped her realsie that she should go back and fight the First.He only went to Sunnydale and gave her an amulet because he thoigh he could help Cordy and Connor:the woman he loved and his son(a son Buffy doesn't even know about).The most impoartant people in his live than.The ''years if ever'' were only a gift from JW for you bangel fans.Spike was the man in her life and she told him she loved him.The reason why Angel left was not because of Buffy's safet but because of the curse.If he truly loved her he would have stayed and fought along her side.i know that someimes you should let the person you love go but Spike stayed alongside Buffy even though she was treating him like a monster.He stayed because he loved her.All of him loved.He loved her whit and whitout soul.Sad I can't tell the same for Angel.He didn't love her whitout sould.He tourtued her,her friends,wanted to make her mad and then kill her.This for me is much worse.Than Spike trying to rape Buffy.Because he felt remorse.Angelus would have never felt remorse.He loved seeing her in pain.If Ange loved her so much than his demon would have loved her too.Also in the epsiode ''Reprise'' Angel tried to loose his sould by sleeping whit Darla.he knew that he may loose his sould and that he maight become the monster he was and probably go and try to kill Buffy but he didn't care.So don't tell me that Bangel is the most healthy relationship.Because it isn't.It left Buffy emotional scars and because of that she was afarid to love a man again.Spuffy wasn't the healthisest in season 6 but in season 7 they belived in each other,forgave each other,trusted each other and loved each other.They saw each other for who they truly were whit fllas and all.Something I can say about Bangel.Buffy needed Angel and Angelus to be two different people because then her image for Angel woudl be the same.She could have never loved him if she accpeted that Angelus is part of Angel.Also Angel couldn't accpet Buffy for who he truly was.If he saw how she was in s6 do you think he would accpeted her,if he was the one she had beaten in the ally do you think he woul have stucked?The naswer of the both quesitions:No.Bangel are truly over.As JW said.They left their relationship in the graveyard where he belonged.Spike was the man in her life and she wanted to try a relationship whit him.And also she schoose The Immortall over Angel(if you don't coount the comics as cannon).Yeah that's true love.Right.Also Spike loved Buffy.The writers said it,JW said it even JM who is an anti-Spuffy said it.he may have loved her selfishlly but he did love her.If he didn't can you expalin why he comfront her in Fool For Love instead of killing her,why did he let himslef be beaten by Glory,why did he cried more than anyone if the Gift when she died,(while Angel was okay whit Buffy died,he evn felt guilt he wasn't heartbroken at her dead)or can you explain the the way he was looking her in After Life.Seeing Buffy alive was the happiest moment in his entire existence.How can you wacth it and tell he didn't love her.It was obvious.And as I said he felt horribale after the attemted rape.he din't even knew he was hurting ehr until she threw him out of her.That's why he went and got his soul.So he can be a man who Buffy can love,a man who would never hurt her again.Angel made her miserable,while Spike made her happy.
Joker:
Yes, Spike LOVED her in season six. Yes, he also attempted to rape her and slept with one of her friends. But through all this, he didnt have a soul. Angel did. Spike did love her, but because she wasnt returning the love, he didnt understand. Without a soul and being used to being evil, he tried to TAKE it. thats what evil people do. They dont tend to think things through. You say that Angelus was a completely different character from Angel. Why shouldn't it be the same with Spike? After all, the problem was "do they have a soul or not?", right? Also, Angelus did state that he loved her a couple of times in the earlier seasons, i think it was in "innocence". Killing, torturing, and taunting people is not a act of love either. Even Joss Whedon said hat the Spuffy love was real :) Spike loved her so much. I have a bunch of reasons and i actually posted them somewhere else, but they're pretty long so I'll leave them out :) I don't think that Buffy was ever too HAPPY with Angel. He also said that in 200 years, Buffy was the only one he loved--so he later goes to screw Darla (Which, by the way, is just as bad with Spike and Anya) and gets her pregnant, and then fall head over heels for Cordelia.
Basically, I think Spike and Buffy were a great couple. :)
Sorry if I was huffy, just stating my opinion.
angel is better for buffy always has been always will be
1 he respected her and loved her more than spike ever did
2 he is stronger and he is always there for her
3 buffy loves him more than spike
4 she hated spike for more than 5 years
5 he even died and he loved her so much that he would do anything for her
6 when he left her he was only thinking what was best for her he just does want to put her through the same thing she did at the end of season 2
7 he wanted to give her a normal life or as normal as posible
8 plus buffy kissed him in the end of s7 and she kept him out of the war because she didn't want to risk losing him
Why does this even need to be a debate?? Buffy already decided. Have all the Spuffy fans FORGOT about this line:
"I killed Angel! Do you even remember that? I would have given up everything I had to be with— I loved him more than I will ever love anything in this life. And I put a sword through his heart because I had to." e5s7
And also in the last episode she hints to Angel that she sees him in her future when she becomes "cookies"
And the only reason Angel left Buffy was so she could have a normal life. Spike could never do that because he isn't selfless enough. Now some people will say that he died for her in chosen, but he had no idea that would happen so that doesn't count. And even if it did Angel would do it in a heart beat(well figuratively)
Spike is just a toy to have fun with, for Buffy...
She doesn't love Spike in season 6 and she just respects him like a friend in season 7...
Anyway, if Angelus would rape Buffy I'd be mad!!!!! You can't rape a person!!!! And you can't say he didn't do something wrong because he was souless, and you can't say he fought to have his soul back (he did it just to kill Buffy!!!!!!).
How can you tell us: oh, poor little spikey, it's not his fault if he tried to rape the woman he says to love, but Buffy's because she asked him to rape her because she wanted him to..."
I don't understand all of this speeches...
WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE!! SPIKE AND BUFFY WERE AWESOME. AS SOON AS SPIKE CAME ON THE 1ST TIME AND RELIZED BUFFY HATED HIM I TOLD MY SISTER "THEY'RE GOING TO END UP TOGETHER" SHE DENIED ME BUT IT HAPPENED.
Really? And angel killing, torturing Giles, Jenni, terrorized them is never brought up? at least spike tried when he had a soul to be a good person, thats why he went and got a soul as his choice, unlike angel.
Spike is BEST for buffy and always will be always will be.
1 He did all he could and took care of Dawn while she was gone as a promise
2 he is the strongest and he will always be there for her
3 buffy needs him more than Angel, like she said
4 he was able to changed her mind and change her in general in the course of 5 years
5 he DID do everything, including fight and die for her and the world
6 when he left her he was he was giving up on her, unlike spike staying like a real man. He recognized he was wrong, thats the only manly thing I thought he did.
7 he knew she would never have a normal life being the slayer, so he worked around that making it as easy on her as possible
8 plus buffy chose him after kissing angel and knowing spike was the one she wanted in the end of s7 and she kept him in the war because he was the biggest champion she knew in her life and he only could protect and save her and the world. She loved him so much as to throw away her selfishness. Thats what he also did.
..So stop using the bad in the other man to prove that your pick is better. Show the good and how they conquered the bad. Thats a true man. That is spike.
BOTH soulles vampires where bad. Angelus: enjoyed psichologically torturing Buffy, tried to kill her mother (a person Buffy loved more than anyone in the world), killed her teacher, tortured Giles, 'caused Buffy more pain than soulles Spike could ever come close to. And did he ever STOP? No. Spike ALMOST did a bad thing when he was soulles, felt horrified and went to get his soul back. Did Angelus EVER do it? No. Would he ever do it? No.
Anyway, lets compare Angel WITH a soul and Spike WITH a soul and their relationship with Buffy. Spike was always by her side, he fought for the right thing without asking anything in return. And he ended up dying for her. Angel... left her after S3. Was not there through her depression, was not there through her problems, was not there with her during the final battle. Buffy dealed with Angel leaving her in S3 and didn't stop him from leaving. But in S7 she stopped Spike from leaving, because in her own words she was not ready for him to be away.
So my answer is Spike.
PS: as to "more than anyone and anything" quote. Buffy said lovED. Past tence. It doesn't mean she can never love anyone as strongly and even more.
To me Bangel was the first love type, that never lasts. Spuffy is the more mature/adult type love where Buffy was physically and mentally stronger and hence my answer.
What Katie15? Nice that Brucas fans say that..since Brucas is like the same thing-> teen love that just needed some time to grow..and the guy should have fought more like with BA. Anyway Buffy loves Angel-> s8 proves it enough
Even if you consider S8 canon you would see that Buffy still has feelings for both Angel and Spike. Heck RIGHT after having all that flying sex with Angel she dreamed about sex with Spike lmao. So it wasn't about her not able to be with Angel physically anymore, it was about her STILL wanting to be with Spike as well.
Anyway, I don't take the comics seriously and even if we stick to the show all I see with Bangel was an idealized love story of two people that broke up when things got hard and barely interacted after that. What I see with Spike/Buffy was two people being there for each other and taking care of each other in S7. Spike became even more important for Buffy than all her friends in the last season. He died like a hero for her and her VERY last words on the series where "I love you", "Spike". In my opinion, she loved both Spike and Angel, but Spuffy is the relationship I prefer and find more appealing to me.
Everybody keep saying that Spike tried to rape Buffy. But i don't think it was like that. it was just the way it worked for them - she resists, he insists, they have sex. so he didn't realize he was trying to rape her. he tried to turn her on=)
Spike understood her. He was there, when no one else was. Also, Angel and her had a lot of drama... they didn't really.. 'click' to me. However, the Spike and Buffy chemistry was OFF THE CHARTS!! haha and he just loved her so much. Anyone can see that. :)
Even Sarah Michelle Gellar said that Spike and Buffy's relationship was destructive...if you could even call it a relationship. Angel was Buffy's rock, her source of wisdom, her partner in fighting crime, her protector, and the ultimate love of her life. He was in a word... "perfect" for Buffy.
I am a Bangel fan and I agree with everything that Sarah Michelle Gellar said regarding Buffy's relationship with Spike and how it was destructive and it wasn't a real relationship unlike the one that she had with Angel. Buffy, herself, said that she wanted to be with Angel. He was perfect for her and everything she could ever want in a guy.
she never actually seemed happy with angel it was all drama drama drama
but when she was with spike she seemed to have fn but then again the majority of their relationship he had no soul, and she was all moody from being sucked out of hell so you know....
Plus what does she get at the end of it all? He tries to rape her...or because it's Spike is that all ok?
I get the question and I still think Angel was better for her because all his acts were selfless. He made the decision to break-up with her and leave because he knew she couldn't and that was better for her in the long run. Spike never saw that far ahead.
angel did actual kill people including her friends
why do you think she had that itch?
and finally him sleeping with anya was just as much anya's, xander and buffy's fault as it was spike's
Ok, you keep telling me that in Season 6 Spike was in love with Buffy and how good he was for her etc, etc. Soooooo if this is the case why does he sleep with one of her friends and why does he attempt to rape her?
Spike sleeping with Anya was Buffy's fault...ok so are all you ladies telling me that if one of your exes went out and slept with one of your close friends you'd blame yourself? That's just nuts!
Was it also Buffy's fault that Spike tried to rape her? Hmmmmm, can't say I'd agree with that one, that's the old thuggish "she was asking for it" mentality.
I'm glad you brought up Angel. Angel didn't actually do any of those things, Angelus did. Two completely different characters and played as such by Boreanaz. Angelus never claims to love Buffy, he loathes her and is in fact evil...hence the heap of guilt Angel feels in Season 3.
Spike clearly doesn't love Buffy in Season 6 because he sleeps with one of her close friends then tries to rape her...these are not acts of love. Season 7 Spike can love Buffy all he wants for me, but getting to that point is all messed up.
that the one thing i don't like about joss writing he's always said that vampires are very smilar to their former selves even angel says it at one point but then angel/angelus is too completley different characters
sorry for biting lol
and that's a sexist remark, the whole deserving thing, if a lass had been dumped (like anya) and slept with someone for confort people feel sorry for her, a guy does it (spike) and he's the bad guy (i know he is actually a bad guy but you know what i mean)
However, the question was who WAS better for Buffy, not who would have been better, and Buffy was unhappy and disgusted with herself almost the entire time she was with Spike (and in season 7 she wasn't really "with" him), whereas Angel was her first true love and looked out for her and was everything a boyfriend should be, except of course when he was evil.
The main difference that I felt between the two relationships was that when she was with Angel, she was her own person. This is why she was able to be strong and kill him when he was evil. With Spike, she had this neediness (I'm not just talking about the sex here) and she wasn't strong enough to be by herself. I mean, letting him try to rape her??? It was a bad relationship, and even though it had the potential at the end to be something better, I'll go with Angel here.
Personally-- and yes, I'm biased by my huge adoration of James-- I think that the infatuation-type bliss in the Bangel relationship would have worn off and Buffy would've been left looking for something more. Spike is that something more, and if they would have been given more time, I think Spike really could have been good for Buffy, and she good for him in return. As shown in seasons 6 and 7, they supported and confided in each other beautifully. While flawed, their relationship had major potential.
Angel and Cordy [Er, Cangel? Corgel? Angdy? XD What's the terminology here?] would've worked out beautifully. She pulled him out of his self-pitying century slump, while I think any relationship with Buffy would've ended in him resorting back to his annoying, broody ways.
If Angelus raped buffy all you Bangel fans would be all "no that wasn't angel, angel loves buffy that was angelus he didn't have a soul, evil blah blah blah."
BUT when EVIL UNSOULED spike ( i will call him Spikus! lol sounds like a cactus! BUT come on he needs a name or it's just confusing =S) raped buffy everyone keeps saying OMG spike raped buffy he can't love buffy! Well it wasn't Spike! It was Spikus so Spike still loves buffy......
AND just like Angelus didn't ruin the Bangel ship when he tried to end the world and kill her Spikus didn't ruin the Spuffy ship when he raped her.
totaly agree whit this one.. he raip here because she couldnt love him (as much as she loved angel) Even when he was Angelus she had difficulty killing him , but she would kill spike any time. Whit chip in his head or whit out chip.
Angel left her when she needed him the most, she was always crying her eyes out over complications in their reletionship. Spike made her feel safe of herself and him. For her own sake, she grew the most when she was with spike.
didnt you see the episode in the first series of Angel when he turned human?? Angel and Buffy were so happy together!
I think the move from WB to UPN really segregated the two shows at one point.
However, there are some important things that need clarifying.
1. Angel and Angelus = totally different beings.
2. Angel is very good for Buffy, he loves her selflessly and makes her happy, despite the drama.
3. Angelus is most certainly not good for Buffy. (Understatement of the century haha!)
4. Equally, soulless and ensouled Spike are totally different entities. (Haha I like the Spike/Spikus, it certainly avoids confusion!)
5. HOWEVER, the only relationship Buffy ever had with Spike/Spikus was with Spikus. By this I mean a romantic (very loose use of this word since this is season 6 Spuffy I'm talking about!) relationship, not a friendship/potential romantic relationship.
6. As such, within the parameters of the question, which I take as referring to relationships rather than in general, Spike & Buffy in season 7 is irrelevant, since they were not together.
7. Therefore, season 6 Spuffy is what is relevant to this question.
8. Since this was a violent, degrading, unhealthy relationship that made Buffy feel disgusted with herself and so ashamed that it further alienated her from her friends, since she cried so much when admitting to Tara what was going on, since Spike did not love her (due to being soulless, not due to any character default. He loved her as much as he could given that he didn't have a soul, but he did not love her. You don't rape someone you love. I think the discussion of Anya & Spike isn't proof that he didn't love her, this sort of thing happens, it's painful and bad, but it happens - two people comforting each other and ending up having sex despite the fact it will hurt people & they love other people, not each other, but were just seeking comfort. But the attempted rape, which he would have continued with and finished had Buffy not had the power to stop him, so there's no point defending him with 'he didn't actually rape her' - he wanted to and would have if she hadn't been so strong - is proof that he didn't love her. Not his fault, as he was a soulless demon, but true nonetheless. Again, his feelings of "frustration, confusion, anger" are NOT excuses for this, there is no excuse for this, and Buffy did not "ask for it", that would be an incredibly sexist and offensive insinuation. The reason for him doing this is that HE DID NOT HAVE A SOUL. But you can't use his lack of soul as an excuse for this, as a justification, and then disregard its importance when it comes to his ability to love.
At the end of the day, Buffy and Spike had potential to be a lovely relationship if he had not died in season 7. But they weren't, and the only relationship they had was harmful to Buffy, emotionally and psychologically, and cannot be called a good thing for her. Saying that Spike fulfilled her needs - well, sex isn't the be all and end all of a relationship, not a healthy, happy, romantic one, and he certainly didn't fulfil her emotional needs. Whereas Bangel, despite its drama, made Buffy happy. She loved Angel, he loved her, selflessly, and they never truly got over each other. Clearly, that is the better relationship.
Yes, Spike LOVED her in season six. Yes, he also attempted to rape her and slept with one of her friends. But through all this, he didnt have a soul. Angel did. Spike did love her, but because she wasnt returning the love, he didnt understand. Without a soul and being used to being evil, he tried to TAKE it. thats what evil people do. They dont tend to think things through. You say that Angelus was a completely different character from Angel. Why shouldn't it be the same with Spike? After all, the problem was "do they have a soul or not?", right? Also, Angelus did state that he loved her a couple of times in the earlier seasons, i think it was in "innocence". Killing, torturing, and taunting people is not a act of love either. Even Joss Whedon said hat the Spuffy love was real :) Spike loved her so much. I have a bunch of reasons and i actually posted them somewhere else, but they're pretty long so I'll leave them out :) I don't think that Buffy was ever too HAPPY with Angel. He also said that in 200 years, Buffy was the only one he loved--so he later goes to screw Darla (Which, by the way, is just as bad with Spike and Anya) and gets her pregnant, and then fall head over heels for Cordelia.
Basically, I think Spike and Buffy were a great couple. :)
Sorry if I was huffy, just stating my opinion.
Love isn't easy, hun.
Anywho, my choice. *Angel* obviously.
1 he respected her and loved her more than spike ever did
2 he is stronger and he is always there for her
3 buffy loves him more than spike
4 she hated spike for more than 5 years
5 he even died and he loved her so much that he would do anything for her
6 when he left her he was only thinking what was best for her he just does want to put her through the same thing she did at the end of season 2
7 he wanted to give her a normal life or as normal as posible
8 plus buffy kissed him in the end of s7 and she kept him out of the war because she didn't want to risk losing him
try to top that
"I killed Angel! Do you even remember that? I would have given up everything I had to be with— I loved him more than I will ever love anything in this life. And I put a sword through his heart because I had to." e5s7
And also in the last episode she hints to Angel that she sees him in her future when she becomes "cookies"
And the only reason Angel left Buffy was so she could have a normal life. Spike could never do that because he isn't selfless enough. Now some people will say that he died for her in chosen, but he had no idea that would happen so that doesn't count. And even if it did Angel would do it in a heart beat(well figuratively)
She doesn't love Spike in season 6 and she just respects him like a friend in season 7...
Anyway, if Angelus would rape Buffy I'd be mad!!!!! You can't rape a person!!!! And you can't say he didn't do something wrong because he was souless, and you can't say he fought to have his soul back (he did it just to kill Buffy!!!!!!).
How can you tell us: oh, poor little spikey, it's not his fault if he tried to rape the woman he says to love, but Buffy's because she asked him to rape her because she wanted him to..."
I don't understand all of this speeches...
1 He did all he could and took care of Dawn while she was gone as a promise
2 he is the strongest and he will always be there for her
3 buffy needs him more than Angel, like she said
4 he was able to changed her mind and change her in general in the course of 5 years
5 he DID do everything, including fight and die for her and the world
6 when he left her he was he was giving up on her, unlike spike staying like a real man. He recognized he was wrong, thats the only manly thing I thought he did.
7 he knew she would never have a normal life being the slayer, so he worked around that making it as easy on her as possible
8 plus buffy chose him after kissing angel and knowing spike was the one she wanted in the end of s7 and she kept him in the war because he was the biggest champion she knew in her life and he only could protect and save her and the world. She loved him so much as to throw away her selfishness. Thats what he also did.
'try to top that'
I just did ;)
Anyway, lets compare Angel WITH a soul and Spike WITH a soul and their relationship with Buffy. Spike was always by her side, he fought for the right thing without asking anything in return. And he ended up dying for her. Angel... left her after S3. Was not there through her depression, was not there through her problems, was not there with her during the final battle. Buffy dealed with Angel leaving her in S3 and didn't stop him from leaving. But in S7 she stopped Spike from leaving, because in her own words she was not ready for him to be away.
So my answer is Spike.
PS: as to "more than anyone and anything" quote. Buffy said lovED. Past tence. It doesn't mean she can never love anyone as strongly and even more.
Anyway, I don't take the comics seriously and even if we stick to the show all I see with Bangel was an idealized love story of two people that broke up when things got hard and barely interacted after that. What I see with Spike/Buffy was two people being there for each other and taking care of each other in S7. Spike became even more important for Buffy than all her friends in the last season. He died like a hero for her and her VERY last words on the series where "I love you", "Spike". In my opinion, she loved both Spike and Angel, but Spuffy is the relationship I prefer and find more appealing to me.
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