I don't intend any hate on the show in this regard. But while scrolling through google images this is something I noticed. If you look at the first picture you can see that Riven and Brandon have more muscular arms than Sky, Timmy, and Nabu. Helia's kind of in between. In the second picture Oregon seems to have a wider torso or just a wider frame in general than Duman. And Gantlos is kind of in between. Anagan is kind of hard to see back there. And in the last picture there's a huge height difference between the two professors. Not only that but Codatora is much beefier and taller than all of the other males. And Saladine (sp?) is much shorter than them all. Furthermore Layla's dad is a bigger dude as is human knut. link http://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q­=tb­n:A­Nd9­GcR­pO5­ajd­ebj­cNv­k_w­HcP­B1s­Ghs­urM­osR­wU5­kh0­GxI­Jyi­JWa­5pM­A Like wise with Musa's dad; link

Even the minor men have more diversity; link

Where as all of the faeries seem to have the same exact body type from height and weight to bum and breast size. link
Even the background characters fit this template; link
This holds true for the witches too; link

Let me know if the links work for you guys.

Yup I have noticed this a long time ago.When it comes to Saladin the reason why he is much more shorter than all of them is because of his age.This is how he used to look like when he was a young man :link .

That's because the artists are sexist and want the all the females to have the same "attractive" body type and god forbid they have an unconventional body type. The exception is Lucy (but that only because she's considered unattractive.)

@Silent I kind of figured as much seeing as Faragonda is on the shorter side too. Even so Saladin is still scrawnier than the other dudes (but it's a bit hard to tell due to his clothing).

@uploaded I noticed that too and it really annoyed me. To be honest I think Lucy was one of the more attractive characters in the show because she was different. Because she was more realistic.

It's internalized sexism that's prevalent in a lot of girl franchises. Look at Barbie and Bratz, all of the females have the same body type and are usually pretty girls with long hair. Even Sailor Moon, who is usually renowned for being so inclusive, has very similar body types, and they always make fun of how Usagi is/might get fat if she keeps eating as much as she does.

Which makes me :\

it gets really fatphobic sometimes. well, really any girl show. advocating for fitness is fine, but shaming people because of their bodies is not an okay way to get this message across.

tbh a lot of japanese mediums are super sexist, which is why i'm so picky about what i read, when it comes to manga, or watch, when it comes to anime.

I personally don't label it as sexism; I mean its definitely something and it's definitely annoying and artistically displeasing to see but I feel like sexist implies that there's a hatred of women there and I don't think these authors hate women.

No less there's definitely a problem and these authors shouldn't be tearing down fat people to promote healthy eating or whatever. I just really hope I can eventually get a book published; there are gonna be characters of many ethnicities and sexualities. And the 'pretty one' was actually going to be on the chubbier side. I mean of course it seems like a lot more shows are becoming more diverse in many ways already, so I'm no special snowflake--I just want to add another thing to the pool.

^ Sexism isn't about hating on women though, it's just anything that's unfair and not equal, so when I say they give women the same body type its sexist because the animator just wants to give them all the same body type that appeals to them where the guys have different body types. I also find it incredibly sexist when male characters wear normal clothes and the one female (or many others) wear a skimpy outfit.

By definition it's prejudice, stereotyping, or discrimination. Though I guess this kind of thing would fit under stereotyping in a physical form. I mean the author is a lot of things but I don't think he's prejudiced ("preconceived opinion that is not based on reason or actual experience." or "give rise to prejudice in (someone); make biased."). Unless we're going to assumed that he has a preconceived opinion on how all women should look, which I don't think he does (because he has variety, just not with weight). But in that light everyone has preferences--as long as the person isn't rude about said preferences I think they're okay to have.

I also wouldn't say the dude is discriminating. I mean in the Winx world jobs and such are equal. In fact a lot of the jobs are female dominated. There's a lot of girl power. So I don't think he's discriminating.

Stereotyping; as mentioned above he provides (or used to provide) a wide array of female personalities it wasn't just the stereotyped girly girl faeries. However it can be argued that there as a very stereotypical body type expectation--like they're faeries so they all have to be pretty and thin or something like that.

So that's why I don't call it out-right sexism because by the definition I found, it only what he did only really fits one area. I think he has more of a bias and this is more of a 'fatphobic' issue than it is a sexism issue. Which by all means is still a problem. I mean even with the guys; the 'bad guys' and old people seem to be the heavier ones. That's where I take issue.

the animator just wants to give them all the same body type that appeals to them where the guys have different body types.
It seems like we agree on this. It clearly has to do with his taste in women. We just seem to call it different things; you call it sexist (which is completely fair and fine by me), I call it biased. In general I think Iginoi is a very biased writer.
And once again I think it's fine that he prefers slim women but I don't think he should let that affect his writing. I prefer dark haired characters but a lot of my characters are blonde or red-heads. I tend to think Asians are good looking but in my stories I like to add beautiful Latinas, white women, and black women.

I also find it incredibly sexist when male characters wear normal clothes and the one female (or many others) wear a skimpy outfit.
This bugged me a bit too. Granted I think some of their outfits like season 1 Bloom, Tecna, and Musa were fine. I think belly showing cloths like that are pretty normal. I also don't really think Stella and Flora's short skirts were too short. To be honest I think for the most part the girls didn't wear skimpy cloths. Though Enchantix and Disenchantix were--but as I mentioned on the a different poll (about Disenchantix) I don't think it was a problem because neither the Trix nor the Winx were sexualized because of the outfits. They were simply wearing them and that was it. There was no special attention given to them because of the outfits one way or the other. Now if the guys were suddenly fawning over them or cat calling them and emphasis was put on 'look at how sexy these cloths are, then I feel like the outfits would be a problem.

This is probably a matter of taste though and what you individually find to be a skimpy outfit.

Also thought they aren't as revealing, I think the guys give a fair bit of fanservice. link In this image Nex's shirt is lower cut and reveals some belly. link Like wise with Riven and Brandon and even Helia in this image.
And when I really think about it; link they're standard uniform is very tight fitting. The real life equivalent of this would probably emphasize their junk and their butts. I don't say that to be vulgar, it's just how those kinds of clothing works.

Over all I think the clothing types are pretty equal between both genders. Body types are a different story.

*Sigh*Why do feminist always scream"SEXISM"when they see a doll or female cartoon character with a perfect body?Its not like female characters are the only ones that have unrealistic bodies,male superheroes also have super unrealistic bodies(huge and super muscular) and yet I never see any man complaining about it.The reason why girls in magical girl shows look perfect is because little girl love beautiful characters.Winx Club can't be described as a sexist show at all because the girls are equal to the boys,they even have an advantage to them because the specialists can't use magic while the Winx can and sorry but no skimpy clothes don't always equal sexism.While its true that the Winx wear revealing clothes(although the clothes have become less and less revealing since season 5),it still doesn't classify as sexism because they aren't being degraded because of it.Now if there would be some characters that would call them sluts for dressing like that or boys being like"Wow this chick is so hot"or"she looks so sexy with these clothes on"than it would be a problem.Also as zanhar1 mentioned it the specialist uniform is so tight that in real life it would emphasize their cock and butt,so yeah they clothes are equally as skimpy as the Winx clothes.
I will also mention that they also have their fanservice moments too.For example here's a scene in which Helia is shirtless:link
and here's another scene in which Sky is shirtless:
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Guys when it came to the skimpy outfits, I wasn't talking about Winx. I wasn't really offended by that since it doesn't really have male gaze. I was talking about sexism in other shows, anime, and in comic books. Now that I think about it, it is more biased than sexist. Uh I wasn't wording it out right. With Winx, both the body types and outfits aren't really offensive, I was thinking about other things and lost it.

@SilentForce I don't have a problem with female characters having a ''perfect'' body like with barbie, I always thought people were overreacting. I just get salty when I see males with different body types and females have the same.

Sorry to keep talking about this.

@uploaded Ah okay I think my misinterpretation came from the fact that I only had Winx in mind with this. But yeah across the board and in general I can see sexism coming into play a bit; especially in anime like High School of the Dead. Good plot, really shitty in that it was taken over by fanservice, only of the women. As for not wording it right, no worries I've been there too. That's alright, this generated a good discussion and I enjoyed having it.
Btw apologies if my comment looked like I was lecturing you or something.

And don't worry about the talks, I'm always down for a civil conversation like this. :)

@Silent Its not like female characters are the only ones that have unrealistic bodies,male superheroes also have super unrealistic bodies(huge and super muscular)
This is something that stumps me too. I mean some people try to go around saying that males don't have a standard they think they need to live up to. Like have they seen He-Man? Have they seen all of the ads promoting big muscular men with abs? While men don't seem to get judged for being heavier as much as women, I've witnessed a lot of men get bullied for being scrawny and thin without the muscles.
In my eyes if you're gonna say that Barbies and such are objectifying then you should say the same about Ken dolls and Superman. If you say that Barbies aren't objectifying then neither are Ken dolls.

The reason why girls in magical girl shows look perfect is because little girl love beautiful characters.
Also a solid point. I mean lets be honest most little girls are pretty shallow and like characters for their appearances because they don't know any better and they really haven't come to appreciate complex character personalities yet. Hell, the reason I liked Icy when I was 8 was simply because she wore blue, had blue eyes, and blueish hair. My favorite color was (and still is) blue. I liked her for a physical attribute. I would imagine there were other little girls like this.

While its true that the Winx wear revealing clothes(although the clothes have become less and less revealing since season 5),it still doesn't classify as sexism because they aren't being degraded because of it.
On point, on point.

@uploaded900
"I don't have a problem with female characters having a ''perfect'' body like with barbie, I always thought people were overreacting."
That part of my comment wasn't directed at you,so sorry for the misunderstanding.I felt like writing it after I reading lovebaltor's comments in which she stated that there was sexism in the Barbie franchise because of her perfect body.Yeah,I agree with you that people(mostly feminist) overact about Barbie's body too much.Feminists always annoy me with saying that Barbie is a horrible role model and that you shouldn't let your girls to play with her just because she has a perfect body.I mean come on Mattel gave her over 150 careers,Barbie's motto is"Be who you wanna be"and Barbie movies(well the old ones)are full of meaningful lessons about life,being a good person,family,friendship etc.Does that really sound like a bad role model too you?Seriously,I think that most of these feminist that call Barbie a bad role model that is dangerous for young girls,are idiots who don't even do some freaking research before writing their articles.What I hate the most is that these so called feminists aren't even realizing that they are spreading the bullshit"Beautiful women are nothing more than bimbos"myth,which is a a terribly misogynist myth.
@zanhar 1
True,it also annoys me when people think that society doesn't put any standards for men.You can't look like a real man unless you are super tall and have huge muscles.Also society expect from men to be strong,tough and mean which basically means that if you don't go around starting fights with other guys for no valid reasons,are a huge playboy and spend most of your time drinking alcohol,smoking and watching sports you aren't considered considered a real men and other men will call you a faggot,a pussy,a loser or other insults.Also its much harder for little boys to have unconventional interest for example:if a little boy would tell other boys that he likes to play with Barbie,Bratz,Disney princesses or any other dolls and watch Barbie or Disney Princess movies all of them would laugh at him and bully him for the rest of his life for being"a faggot that likes girly things".However little girls playing with toys for boys and watching shows and movies for boys isn't really considered as a wrong thing.

Pretty much. I don't really have much to add because you pretty much said everything and I'd basically be repeating myself if I did. But yeah, that's basically my view point as well.

@SilentForce Complaining about women's body issues, doesn't equal "men have no issues". The fact that you suggest this, is ridiculous. It is sexism because it is discriminatory and plays to the male gaze.

i understand male characters' bodies are also out of pocket but you see that is also sexism. The thing is...it also plays to the male gaze or male "fantasy" if you will. Therefore ,the male gaze is still at fault.

Besides this post is about women's bodies, so bringing up male bodies as a way to discredit that, is gross.

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