Meat is murder?

I saw a club the other day, called Animal Guardians... the club 아이콘 being 'meat is murder'. What are your thoughts on this? Do 당신 think meat is murder, 또는 do 당신 think it's just a part of life?
 blackpanther666 posted over a year ago
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whiteflame55 said:
Technically, all 음식 is murder, unless you're capable of photosynthesizing 또는 eating things that are solely chemicals. Meat is murder, but so is eating any plant, which is basically the only other option for human beings. What's intriguing about this is that if 당신 mention it to these very self-righteous vegetarians and vegans, the bulk of them will respond with "plants don't have feelings." Seems awfully hypocritical for a group that has advocated that many 동물 can feel in ways we don't always easily perceive would then turn around and say another life form, which almost certainly does "feel" to some extent, is incapable of regarding pain and death.

Generally, though, I think their best message is not "meat is murder," it's "meat is torture." Factory farming is certainly torturous for the 동물 involved, living in small, dirty spaces, being force fed foods and antibiotics for the purposes of improved growth and the like. There's certainly something to be said about how we treat animals, and really the only defensible response is that we need a lot of meat, and this is the way to get it. The reality is that if we didn't have that large amount of meat, we'd need a lot 더 많이 arable land to produce 더 많이 plant products. However, I don't think this justifies what we put these 동물 through, it just justifies the expansion of current animal farming practices to wider areas in my opinion.
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Isn't murder 'killing in cold blood'? I don't know if I agree with that first bit, to be honest. Murdering a human is to murder them in cold blood - to kill them without reason, just for the sake of it. That's pretty much the general idea of murder, anyway... there may be special cases within that, as well, but I'm talking in general here. The rest of it I fully agree with, however. A lot of places tend to factory farm, so we can get meat in massive quantities, which I have a lot of problems with. I have heard people saying about meat being murder, but eating plants being fine. Not sure how I feel about that - I guess, it is essentially the same thing, just that people consider plants not to have feelings, but that is irrelevant, since it amounts to the same thing, anyway. Besides, most animals, except probably some pets, don't have 'feelings', at least, not in the way that some people seem to think they do. All in all, I see your point here.
blackpanther666 posted over a year ago
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"Isn't murder 'killing in cold blood'?" Murder: the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being 의해 another. Well, killing and murder are not the same. Also, What about insects? People kill insects in cold blood.
Nick16 posted over a year ago
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Well, I guess it depends on your definition of murder. I'm considering it from the perspective of having killed something with intent, though 의해 both of your definitions that would be incorrect. Perhaps I'm using the word incorrectly.
whiteflame55 posted over a year ago
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Yes, people do kill insects, Nick, though the function isn't for 음식 so I'd say that's a separate issue.
whiteflame55 posted over a year ago
PlayingWithFire said:
No, I think it's just biology. Yes, 동물 are living things, but so are plants. Would that make vegetarians and herbivores murderers? There are also many carnivores and omnivores in the animal kingdom, including humans. If humans weren't meant to eat meat, why the hell do they have canine teeth?

Humans having always been eating meat and they will always eat meat. There might be vegetarians but the fact that a large amount of humans eat meat is never going to change, no matter how religiously animal rights supporters push it. I myself 사랑 meat and don't see myself ever cutting it out of my diet. I don't feel that someone is a cold-blooded killer just because he/she ate a hamburger 또는 a 스테이크 또는 that someone is a sadistic psychopath who hates 동물 because he/she loves to eat chicken. Sure it might not be necessary for humans as omnivores, but meat, including chicken and fish, have their health benefits including protein and B vitamins. It's debatable that eating meat is no longer needed, but expecting humans who 사랑 to eat meat to stop because of an ideology that all carnivores and omnivores except humans can eat other 동물 and not be evil and cruel is unrealistic and wishful thinking.
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ThePrincesTale said:
Yep, meat is murder.

Tasty, tasty murder.
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In all seriousness though, while it may be "murder", it is also biology. In the same way that seals eat fish, limpets ingest algae,and 늑대 catch elk, humans 의해 their nature consume that which they have evolved to consume. I see no moral gripe with the consumption of animals, provided their lives are humanely ended- 동물 which, may I add, were brought into this world and granted a chance at life only because of farming.
ThePrincesTale posted over a year ago
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:p
Nick16 posted over a year ago
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@ThePrincesTale. I think the trouble is that most meat isn't gained from killing 동물 in a humanely way. That's the sad thing. People just treat life on Earth like it is expendable... or, even worse, expendable and like crap. However, I agree about the biology part, as it is definitely a good point. To complain about a human killing an animal in a humane way, is to basically say that it is wrong for 동물 to kill other animals.
blackpanther666 posted over a year ago
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I agree, so long as the treatment is humane, it's not murder.
zanhar1 posted over a year ago
anviange said:
i won't say meat is murder. if they say,then will they complain when lion 또는 tiger hunt for their food.if herbivores aren't hunted then there won't be no nature balance and there will be no 음식 for human coz all plants and trees will be eaten 의해 animals, then where will be the food?
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I think Nick is referring to unnecessary consumption of meat 의해 omnivores, not the necessary consumption 의해 carnivores. The balancing of ecosystems doesn't require that humans and other omnivores consume meat.
whiteflame55 posted over a year ago
LGYCE said:
Meat is most definitely a part of life. When 당신 think about it, there is no real logic behind the idea that 동물 have as much right to life as we do, but we can't eat them. Either they are capable of conscious intelligent thought, making them equal with us, meaning they have no right to eat other 동물 if we don't. Or, they do it because they aren't capable of considering any other way, meaning they aren't on the same level as us, meaning it is NOT murder.
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zanhar1 said:
I think it's part of life. I 사랑 동물 as much as the 다음 guy and I wouldn't eat dog 또는 cat, 또는 even rabbit. But lets face it; since the beginning of time humans hunted 동물 for food. We just found 더 많이 convenient ways to do so at this point in time.

And lets not forget that other 동물 eat animals. It's the 음식 chain, the 원, 동그라미 of life. 늑대 eat rabbits, owls eat mice, and lions chase gazelles.

I don't judge people who don't eat mean, likewise they shouldn't call meat eaters murderers.
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Dscha38 said:
Murder: the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being 의해 another.
Its not murder its slaughter, if it is done humanly they dont feel it and 또는 dont know whats happening.
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