해리 포터 Article: Why does the Trace really exist?

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posted by bendaimmortal

I think there's something fishy to it. Because it's horribly unreliable and through that horribly unfair and useless.

Some theorize that magical children are born with the Trace but I don't think so because the 책 talk about it as something that is put on people, as in a charm. And in magic it should be possible to make a 더 많이 specifically effective charm. Even the Magic Quill at Hogwarts lists the names of every magical inhdividual born. The Trace should be working the samw way but it isn't.

I've racked my brain with the Trace matters after I (in the 답변 part of thsi club) brought up the 질문 whether it remains active until the 17th birthday even if a minor drops out of Hogwarts years before he/she turns 17. (Because the Trace seems to be placed only on verified Hogwarts students to begin with (as Hermione received nno warnings though she studied spells before she began Hogwarts) and expulsion seems to be the worst thing they'll do if taking action seems needed. As in the Trace seems to very strongly relate to literally studying at Hogwarts, so I wondered if they'd remove it when a person chooses to drop out.)

But then I figured it really doesn't make much of a difference if it is 또는 isn't, because 95% of minors can get away with magic even with the Trace on. To some extent, everyone can.

Because if I've understood corerectly...To the Ministry of Magic, the Trace can only detect:
1. that magic has been performed nearby an underage wizard 또는 a witch
2. which charm/spell/curse was used
3. the location

But it does not detect who the underage wizard was. They can only try to figure it out 의해 the location.

This leads into it being completely impossible for the MoM to blame a minor living with one 또는 더 많이 magical adults, and thus (supposing the parents are not around 또는 just dont' care) for the minor to perform any amount of magic at their own house without any consequences. But minors living with muggle adults are totally opposite case.

And a minor could walk into the area of said kind of minor and perform magic there, and this innocent minor would get the blame! (Much like what happened with Dobby the house-elf and Harry.)

And a minor could throw charms, even in the presence of a muggle, in any location that has numerous underage wizards living there, and then just flee from the crime scene before someone from the Ministry gets there to try and identify who it was. The Ministry would have hard time finding out who of the numerous minors living on the area, is guilty, if any as it mightr as well have been an adult in the company of a minor. And even if it was the unknown minor around whom the magic happened, they could've used someone else's wand and thus if the Ministry actually took time to go through all the houses with a minor living in, they'd never find out who it was 또는 might end up accusing the wrong person.

And seeing to the fact that totally muggle-free areas are rare, it is likely there usually do live 더 많이 than one underage wizard 또는 a witch on one muggle-habited area. Which again deeply affects the chances of the finger being pointed at the right minor, if the magic happened outdoors.

They obviously rely much on the parents enforcing the rules on their children for the sake of the secrecy and the child's safety. But if the Ministry really wanted to give their two cents to the cuase...Why did they make the Trace so gawddamn vague instead of making it detect the sourcerer's indetity? That way the effect would be maximum and it would be catching equally everyone. The way the Trace is, doesn't offer any real help whatsoever but on the contrary it picks on those and only those children with less pure blood and/or not so fortunate 집 location. And even if it did offer a little help, it's minus aspects are far 더 많이 numerous/significant.

Thus, to me it seems that with the Trace, the Ministry does not have the childrens' best interest in mind, nor do they care about the secrecy that much.

It seems to have a touch of attitude problem towards muggle-borns and favorism of purebloods and half-bloods. And also of a lust for power, (hence the 'we can accuse, warn and punish children based on our vague assumptions, and 당신 have to live with it because there's no hihgher law to our society than us. Har-har-har!')

The law forbidding underage sourcery in presence of a muggle is of course all good and well and certainly out of right and respectable motives. But "the Trace" that supposedly enforces that law, really seems to be ill-motived and completely useless to far extent.

Do 당신 think I'm on to something here, 또는 that this is just Rowling's failure to pull together one aspect of her fictional world - 또는 am I missing something crucial?

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BlackHound Why should it be a surprise to anyone that the Ministry [i]doesn't[/i] have childrens' best interest in mind? Especially if they're Muggle-born? Whether or how the Ministry law is enforced often depends upon who Minister for Magic is at any given time; Fudge was a corrupt bastard who did what he damn well pleased and when it pleased him; Rufus Scrimgeour was a heavy-handed SOB who I think would have enforced that law to the best of his abilities just so he could feel more in-control. Kingsley Shacklebolt will be more far more fair, I believe. At any rate: http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/The_Trace

bendaimmortal BlackHound: It's not necessarely a surprise. I just haven't seen anyone talking about the Trace's ways and its enforcement from this point of view. All I've seen always discuss as if it existed for the solid and pure purpose of doing good and enforcing the law.

dragonsmemory Iam certainly not a fan of theFudge and Scrimgeour administrations. However, after years of research into the magical world, I have come to a conclusion about the Trace. The Trace is placed on the Wizarding child from birth and is removed when the child comes of age at 17. As has been mentioned, the charm only detects the magic, not the caster. Underage witches and wizards living with anyone overage have more…leeway…than those living with Muggles. Wizarding parents are expected to enforce the "no underage magijc outside school" rule, since the Ministry can't pinpoint who cast the spell in that hhousehold. In Muggle households, the witch or wizard, before they start school, is visited by a teacher, who explains some very basic things, including "no magic at home." Also, at the close of each school year, notices are passed out to the students, reminding them not to use magic outside school. Now, the Trace breaks at 17. There is no possible way to put it on anyone older. If we go by the logicv that it also breaks when you leave school, when would it have broken for Hermione Granger, had she stayed in school? Would it have broken in September or June? There is a contradiction there, whijch means part of your thedory is incorrect. Thed Trace breaks the moment a witch or wizard turns 17

bendaimmortal @ dragonsmemory: Thank you for making a good counter-point for my previous theory, but it is not poking any hole into this article's theory. See I brought up the when-put/removed thoughts I've had, as something I'd thought of [i]before[/i] giving it more thought and ultimately to lead up to this article's actual point. Hence, me saying that "But [i]then[/i] I realized it doesn't really make much of a difference if it is or isn't removed..." So please note that this article's point is not to theorize when the Trace is put on or removed, but instead to theorize [b][i]why[/i][/b] the Trace exsists in the first place, through looking at how it works while it's on. But to anyway shortly address your theory on when the Trace is placed on; I really don't think it's palced on the person at birth. I see no sense in doing that when the Trace is detecting so little details. Because as it is now, if it was placed at birth, MoM's alarms would go off every second of every day because thousands of babies and kids do accidental magic, some even with their parents' wands as seen in Goblet of Fire. No, I really truly believe the Trace is placed only on kids who start formal learning at Hogwarts, and no before than at the beginning of the first school term. (Hence, Hermione apparently didn't get any trouble by practicing spells at home even before she literally left to Hogwarts.) But, anyway, as said the when it's placed on or removed is not the point of this article. I wish to discuss [i]why[/i] it exsists at all, which, as I believe my article points out - clearly is not to ensure the secrecy of the magical kind or even to prevent underage magic. Because if it was for such purposes they would've made it detect the person instead of just the spell, time and place.

dragonsmemory If it didn't detect the spell, place, and time, HOW WOULD THE MINISTRY ENFORCE THE STATUTE OF SECRECY? You need a who, what, where, when, why, and how for a good case. The Trace picks up what, where, and when. That information then can be used to find who. After that, the Ministry can then inquire as to why and how. Let's use a famous example: the summer of 1995. Once Harry cast thespell, the Trace alerted the Ministry about the following: WHAT: Patronus Charm WHERE: Little Whinging, Surrey WHEN: ((somewhere around)) 10:23 pm It was fairly easy to pinpoint whho it was. Harry is the only wizard in the area (Squibs like Mrs. Figg don't count). They summoned Harry to a hearing to get thewhy. *** Now, I'm going to address the previous point. The series only followed Harry's perspective. Harry was sent to live with his Muggle relatives in a town with a magical population of zero until he arrived. Doesn't that seem suspicious? Special allowances must haave been made for Harry's accidental magic for those ten years. I realize it sounds outlaandish, but when placed in conjunction with the circumstances, it makes logical sense. *** And now on tok the point before that. This one, in all honesty, is the easiest of all. THE TRACE EXISTS TO ENFORCE THE STATUTE OF SECRECY, AS DOES THE REASONABLE RESTRICTION FOR UNDERAGE SORCERY. That's it. You will probably counter thisby bringing up Rita Skeeter's quote: "The Prophet exists tok sell itself." She was right, you know. If it didn't, it wouldn't be the most read news sourced in Wizarding Britain. *** And now for my closing point. You mentioned the following: "But then I realized it doesn't really makemuch of a difference if it is or isn't removed…" Imagine the Wizarding world if the Trace never breaks. No one could perform magic without tghe noktices from the Ministry. Now imagine if it never existed. Young witches and wizards would perform all sorts of magic in front of ((and on) Muggles WITHOUT ANY FORM OF PUNISHMENT. The Statute of Secrecy would not evenexist. Muggles would turn tok wizards to solve all their problems. Asses like Voldemort would have a field day hunting Miggles IN THE OPEN WITHOUT FEAR OF PUNISHMENT. So you see, it would be anarchy if the Trace neverexisted okr never broke.

dragonsmemory One last note. Harry woke up on his seventeenth birtday and was immediately able to do magic. He Summoned his glasses first thing.

bendaimmortal Did you read this article? As in your example of the summer of 1995 doesn't work because it [i]could[/i] have been [i]anyone[/i]. Even if Harry was the only wizard [i]living[/i] on that area it doesn't mean he's the only magical person to ever set a foot there and do magic. And still, it's obvious from the case of Harry getting the blame for Dobby's magic, that the MoM doesn't give a shit about investigating further than what their alarms tell them. If the MoM really cared about the secrecy and fair play, they would've had the Trace go right down to the identity of the offender, instead of just the what-where-when. *** And I don't think Harry had any special allowances, because there'd be no sense for the MoM to supervise [i]any[/i] person under 11 years of age when most usually start their formal learning - becaue if they did, their alarms would be going off every second every day, not to mention it would become a total chaos. And I don't see anything suspicious about Harry being the only magical person in the town. It's not like anyone could affect where Lily's sister happened to live. Nor who wanted to live in that town and who not. *** ---[i]"And now on tok the point before that. This one, in all honesty, is the easiest of all. THE TRACE EXISTS TO ENFORCE THE STATUTE OF SECRECY, AS DOES THE REASONABLE RESTRICTION FOR UNDERAGE SORCERY."[/i]--- You don't have to use capslock. I can see normal text. And I agree that on the paper it sure exists for that purpose. But my point is that the MoM certainly doesn't work it that way. And no I wouldn't have brought up that Rita Skeeter quote, I didn't even remember such exists. Another reason is that I'm not sure if it works too well for a comparasion. *** ---[i]"And now for my closing point. You mentioned the following: "But then I realized it doesn't really makemuch of a difference if it is or isn't removed…" Imagine the Wizarding world if the Trace never breaks. No one could perform magic without tghe noktices from the Ministry."[/i]--- Please notice that I was not talking about it [i]ever[/i] breaking. I was talking about my earlier ponderings about if it's removed or not if someone leaves Hogwarts before his/her 17th birthday. As in that it doesn't make much of a difference if it's lifted off of [i]a minor[/i] or not, because the Trace doesn't work as it should anyway. ---[i]"Now imagine if it never existed. Young witches and wizards would perform all sorts of magic in front of ((and on) Muggles WITHOUT ANY FORM OF PUNISHMENT."[/i]--- Except from their parents. Which the MoM anyway expects to happen first and foremost, instead of jumping in immediately. But please do notice that at no point have I ever suggested that the Trace should not exist at all. I have only been critisizing that it seems to exist with the wrong motives when looked into further than the written word on the law books.

dragonsmemory Of course I read it. I wiouldn't haaved so much tok say if I didn't. Since when has the Ministry ever done ANYTHING right? Harry is the only wizard living in Litle Whinging. I invite you to revisit Harry's hearing in OOTP. Hmm, people not affecting the home of the famous Harry Potter? I'm fairly certain Dumbledore had at least a partial hand in the circumstances, however, there is an entire organization that wants Hearry dead. I used the capslock to show emphasis, to make that point stand out. The Ministry doesn't work at all. You can pretty much count on me to remember random stuff like that. For your reference, it was in OOTP during the Hogsmeade visit (the same day as the disaster date with Cho). I made those two exaamples as a worst-case scenario to shows what could hhappen with the most extreme cases. And if I'm notf mistaken, the Ministry does jump in right away, with a letter informing the householld what happened. It might also help if you put that (your point) in big bold print at the top of the article, instead of this whole cat-and-mouse dance. On a side note, please read "Wild and Crazy Theories: Theory #1: The True Passage of the Elder Wand." It's an interesting theory of mine. I am an Aspergian, so my train of thought runs on different tracks than yours.

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Pros/Cons Of DeathEaterdom 2

posted by Flickerflame

I was asked to do this 의해 lorythefangirl after I responded to her earlier one.

Pros
1. Most of them did believe they were choosing the winning side at the time
2. They would likely be killed if they refused, 또는 otherwise punished.
3. If they come from old pureblood families which share the Death Eaters' beliefs, joining up would help maintain family harmony
4. If they're naturally malicious it gives them an opportunity to kill and torture

Cons
1. Most people wouldn't want to be forced to murder. They might be pushed beyond their own limits, e.g. Draco Malfoy.
2. They'd get imprisoned in Azkaban if caught, 또는 could be killed in self-defence
3. Leaving isn't an option once you're in
4. After they lost, those who'd survived would lose favour even if they avoided punishment
5. Voldemort doesn't seem to be a nice boss
6. It's a story really, and in most stories, the bad guys do end up losing and being punished.

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I'll Stand 의해 당신 [Draco Malfoy] o2

posted by Matsuo_Yumi

[Chapter 2] Diagon Alley: Ferrets and Pranks

The 다음 few weeks just flew by. Maybe it was because I had something to look 앞으로 to. Hermione and Ginny had been 글쓰기 regularly. All of Hermione's letters were about how much we would have to do as N.E.W.T. students. She had scored eight 'Outstandings' and an 'Exceeds Expectations' and was still disappointed! That girl...she is just...extraordinary! Ron and Harry had done fairly well, failed only in two subjects. They seemed to be having fun at the Burrow, the four of them. Then Ginny said that Phlegm spoilt all the fun. At least they were...

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730 things i'm forbidden to do at hogwarts 201-300

posted by Weasel1999

201. I will not melt if water is poured over me.
202. -Neither will Professor Umbridge.
203. I do not have a Cyberman Patronus.
204. I am not a Wirn animagus, either.
205. I will not ask Aragog if he came from Metabelis III.
206. -Or if he has any pretty blue crystals.
207. "Nessie is actually a cyborg created 의해 the Zygons" is not an appropriate thing to say in Care of MagicalCreatures Class.
208. While it is appropriate to refer to Voldemort as "Master" while in his service, Voldemort and The Master are not one and the same.
209. I cannot substitute Prydonian robes for my Hogwarts uniform.
210. -Nor...

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I'll Stand 의해 당신 [Draco Malfoy] o1

posted by Matsuo_Yumi

The world around me was covered in a blanket of white. The magnificent trees towered over me making me feel small…so small. In spite of the snow on the ground and the surrounding areas, I didn’t feel cold. Apparently, I was somewhere near the Shrieking Shack, but that was forbidden! What I was I doing there, I do not know. As I examined the place, I saw a tall figure at a distance. He was clad in black, such a contrast to the surroundings. His skin was pale too, almost as white as the snow. He reached out his left hand towards me and I mimicked his action subconsciously. When I did so,...

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Floo Powder

posted by jeniffer2200

Floo powder was invented 의해 Ignatia Wildsmith in the thirteenth century. Its manufacture is strictly controlled. The only licensed producer in Britain is Floo-Pow, a company whose Headquarters is in Diagon Alley, and who never answer their front door.

No shortage of Floo powder has ever been reported, nor does anybody know anyone who makes it. Its price has remained constant for one hundred years: two Sickles a scoop. Every wizard household carries a stock of Floo powder, usually conveniently located in a box 또는 vase on the mantelpiece.

The precise composition of Floo powder is a closely guarded...

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5th Year, Not-So-Perfect Chapter 3

posted by peppergirl30

I awoke the 다음 morning to pandemonium.

''I CAN'T FIND MY DADA BOOK! WHAT AM I GOING TO DO?!''

As usual, Aimee wasn't prepared for the start of term. ''Just relax, Aimee, we'll find it.''

We searched the Dormitory, under beds, on beds, between blankets.. but no book.

''How could I lose it? I have DADA first this morning!''

''Just borrow one from the cabinets and order a new one, I dunno! It's obviously not here.''

Aimee was being grumpy now. ''I'll just write 집 and see if I forgot it..'' She grumbled.

When we finally got all our stuff, Lizzie, Aimee, and I went into the Great Hall for...

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Hard-To-Spot things from the Harry Potter films.

posted by zar_far11

I've seen the HP films 더 많이 times than I can count but there are still some things that are hard to notice until you're like, "bajillianth" time watching the movies. I had an HP movie marathon recently, and I was so surprised 의해 all the things I'd missed. Here are some that I noticed. (By the way, I didn't notice all of these--I don't think anyone could notice all this just 의해 themselves--I only noticed some of them, and afterwards my 프렌즈 told me some things they noticed, to help with this article)

Philospher's/Sorcerer's Stone:
1) Harry is wearing the sweater Mrs. Weasley made for him in...

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Magical folk - they're not THAT different

posted by bendaimmortal

This text is not meant as critisism to anyone, but only to ponder how much wizards/witches really differ from muggles, and how much of it is only a trick of mind.

In HP related discussions and wikipedia sites, there are often speculations and thoughts painting the magical folk as 더 많이 different from us than they actually are. I think such habit comes from how the 책 give a extreme general image; as if the two groups of people had some sort of basic difference with their entire existance.
And I think that somewhat misleading image comes from how no one of the main character trio grew up in...

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For those people who write fanfictions

posted by WaterLestrange

Is this ridiculous 또는 what? And will 당신 help?

( This is mostly for people who go on and have heard of the site called Fanfiction.net. My friend asked me to do this )

*This is not spam nor a joke

IMPORTANT: Fan-fiction is deleting
stories than contain yaoi, yuri, lemons, violence, stories based on songs, and any story on the site. My friend is organizing a Black Out Day. On June 23rd(according to GTM timing, so that we know we're doing it together), do NOT go onto fan-fiction. Don't read, don't review don't message your friends, don't update. If
enough people participate, then the site will...

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We Can Change,( Dramione) Chapter 8

posted by Twilight-girl-x

~Hope you’re all enjoying this so far, it does take me a while to update sometimes but I apologise for that. Tell me what 당신 think in a review. Thanks.~

~Chapter 8~
~Just close your eyes
The sun is going down
You’ll be alright
No one can hurt 당신 now.~

The door to the empty building slammed closed as the edge of the 망토, 망 토 as dark as the night it travelled in whipped through the gap. The owners in the flat above never even realising that someone had passed through their shop. The normally crowded village was empty and dark; the only lights were the result of a few of the still open pubs....

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ONLY ONE HARRY POTTER..

posted by dawnisbeauty

Yep.You HP 팬 know the moment Im talking about.You know,that moment when Hedwig's Theme played for the last time,when 당신 wanted to cry and cheer,scream and weep at the same time...that time 당신 knew it was ending yet refused to accept it.That moment,when all the boundaries vanished,when we all rose together from different places,from different countries,we all came together,clapping,smiling and crying at the same time.That was the moment when we found that,nothing has really changed,despite everything that has.Amidst the thunderous applause and the shouts and cries in the theater all,we knew that there has never been anything like Harry Potter.And there never will be..and that the oak doors of Hogwarts will always 그네, 스윙 open to us in welcome...
WE WILL NEVER FORGET YOU,HARRY...

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ways to annoy lord voldemort

posted by cutechibineko

Ways to piss off Lord Voldemort!
1) Steal his wand and tell him Nagini ate it.

2) Whenever he speaks to you, bow low and say, "Yes, sensei."

3) Replace your Death Eater mask with a Dark Vader mask & insist that, "Tom....I am your father."

4) Sign him up as a kindergarten teacher.

5) Tell him Dumbledore has a ring like his.

6) Tell him 당신 are worried that his obsession with Harry Potter isn't healthy, & he should just confess his 사랑 for him.

7) Skip around Malfoy Manor rapping as loud as 당신 can, "H to the A to the R to the R to the Y, what does that spell? HARRY!"

8) Follow him around all...

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Harry with baby Teddy(This is my first one!!)

posted by ginnyweasleyfan

Harry woke with a start as Teddy’s cries pierced the small room. He groggily climbed out of the warm 침대 and stumbled over to the 한쪽에 포장이 달린 요람, 요람 의해 the window. In the moonlight he could see that Teddy’s hair was bright pink. Chuckling to himself, he lifted the baby out of the 어린이 침대, 침대 and started over to the rocking chair.
He fed Teddy some warm milk.He stopped crying. Harry smiled,and Teddy smiled back.Harry put him back in the crib.Instantly Teddy fell asleep.

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happy birth 일 harry potter

posted by june13

harry potter is now logged in
harry anyone here i bored and can't do Magie
ginny w has now logged in
ginny yea am here this is why better then are old owl LOL
harry huh? LOL wants that tell ron isay hi d hi
ron w has nowlodgedd in
ron hi harry wazs up and ginny get out of this chat room
ginny u can't make me
harry ron ginny be nice and can any one till me what LOL and waz means
ginny LOL meanslaughh out loud and wazwantt is up
ron LOL meanslaughh out loud and wazwantt is up
ginny 당신 took the words right out of my mouth
luke has now logged in
luke hi any one in here
harry has now logged out
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ron now has logged out
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am not a nerd and it only took 3 mins to make am just a big harry potter 팬 tell me want u think 의해 the why its is post to be funny happy brith 일 45th j.k and happy 30th harry

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NEW - Harry Potter Locations 일 Tour

posted by britmovietours

All aboard as we take 당신 on a 10 시간 adventure 의해 bus to some of the Harry Potter movie locations which were either used in actual scenes from Hogwarts School 또는 served as an inspiration to the film makers.

We’ll stop for lunch at a pub which will give 당신 time to stretch your legs and soak up the history.

Learn how the films were made, discuss the 책 and hear trivia about the magical world of Harry Potter. Along the way you’ll have the chance to get off the bus, take pictures and see the locations up close.

Tour highlights include:

-Walk in the footsteps of Harry (Daniel Radcliffe) around...

Harry Potter Illustration Series | Created 의해 Dan Elijah Fajardo

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My thoughts on Lavender Brown

posted by elsafan1010

Lavender

This 기사 is my own thoughts about Lavender Brown, so basically I'm reviewing her here. She isn't that big of a character, but definitely has the right to be analyzed here because she has something to do with Ron.

Lavender Brown
We can start 의해 introducing Lavender, and look in to her backstory a bit. Lavender is a pureblood witch that got sorted into Hogwarts, and wasn't noticeable for the first films but in the "Half Blood Prince" she appears to be a character that has a crush on Ron. She has blonde and curly hair, blue eyes, has a chubby face, usually ties her hair and wears cute headbands....

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Harry Potter collections

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Cedric Diggory 💎

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